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Offline ringer

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Trying to choose a vacuum
« on: November 26, 2019, 12:35:33 PM »
My previous thread "shop in London" has gone off topic so I will start again:

Medium size house, 2 floors, nearly all carpet, lots of awkward corners, no pets.
I dont want a cordless machine, I hear too much about battery or charger failure.

Sebo  X7: Heavy. I have seen one Sebo upright & I had to open up the handle. It
had 2 live wires & 1 neutral wire going along the stem. I was advised that this
2nd live wire should have been neutral. I hope this doesnt happen often!

K1 ABK: dust pickup (carpet) grade E

Dyson: I have seen several Dysons. The cyclones get horribly dirty. Some
models are very difficult to clean, others impossible.

Miele: People on this forum say they are not as good as in the past. Also
John Lewis offers a 2 year warranty & Sebos 5 years.

This comes from John Lewis's site. JL gives much better information than MV.
Unfortunately their site is not completely reliable. The Miele C3 C&D violates EU
regulations, it burns 800KW. I am puzzled that the C3 is grade C for carpet dust
& the C2 (cheaper) is grade A.

On the whole I think I will go for the Miele C2 if the dust grade is correct.
 
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Re: Trying to choose a vacuum
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2019, 03:26:25 AM »
I'm speaking for the Dyson light ball (now called small ball in blue)
It's a very quiet, lightweight, durable vacuum with great manoeuverability. The brushbar grooms carpets very well, works amazingly on hard floors (probably the best upright for hard floors) and on the + setting it seals in all the suction, making it hard to push because the suction is so strong at the head, so normal mode is good enough.

I have a light ball and love it. At £200 with a 5 year guarantee it's an absolute bargain, that's £40 a year incase you're not paying attention, which isn't a lot for a premium vacuum.

I know you said the cyclones get dirty, but fact: Dyson vacuums have 2 bins- one which is the clear bin which collects most of the large rubbish. The remainder gets collected by the cyclones and collected inside at the bottom of the cyclone unit, which is that big round thing inside the bin below the shroud. That's why Dyson cyclones get dusty because that is also a dust collection chamber. It's supposed to be like that

However, that area has no airflow at all because it's sealed during use. The dust just drops down there from the tip of the cyclones and static electricity from the high centrifugal forces inside the plastic cyclones mean dust sticks. So whether the cyclones have a large coating of dust on them or not, make  no difference believe it or not

So the pointy part of the cyclone is where the dust exits the cyclone via centrifugal force and gravity (except on the DC07 which doesn't have the gravity benefit) and the air actually exits the cyclone from the opposing end

The Sebo X4/X7 with boost button is a good choice except I don't like them for hard floors, they push large bits around and the brush bar gets worn from the hard flooring due to no brush control, I don't like the wand leaking suction either when trying to use it with the hose, but other than those points it's a splendid machine

Avoid the Miele Blizzard, the plastic has cheapened around the bin area along with the hose, the filters also get dirty quickly.

Miele C2s are very good cylinders as long as you use the right bag.

However for carpeted homes you're better off with an upright.
DC14s are tanks, just need a slightly longer motor life. Do plastic parts often break on DC14s? Nope. DC41- Sexy looking futuristic and powerful machine. Just needs a better designed cleaner head wheel and cyclone clip along with a dense metal rod in the chassis.

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Re: Trying to choose a vacuum
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2019, 12:39:06 PM »
The Sebo X4/X7 with boost button is a good choice except I don't like them for hard floors, they push large bits around

I'd disagree, the flicker strip mostly stops that. Unless hoping to pick up stuff too large. We have hard floors through 90% of the house and have an X4 Pet.

and the brush bar gets worn from the hard flooring due to no brush control,

Instead of brush control, the Sebo raises up when upright to save unnecessary wear to the brushroll. Also, softer and harder brushrolls are available for specific applications. But We've had an X4 at home on hard floors with the standard brushroll for circa four years and it hasn't had a brushroll yet.

However for carpeted homes you're better off with an upright.

I agree with that. But this chap seems to favour a cylinder.

Quote from: ringer
JL gives much better information than MV.

Must be why so many JL customers end up shopping with us.  :whist11:

JL suits many people though, they have way more flexible return policies than we do to cater to the indecisive for example. Horses for courses.

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Re: Trying to choose a vacuum
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2019, 01:56:41 PM »
I mean the lack of a large debris channel 😅 it doesnít scatter anything at all. Iím just not keen on using a brushbar on hard floors as the surface hurts the bristles imo which causes the brushes to get curved (they feel softer on the direction the brush spins at and stiffer in the contradicting direction sadly)
DC14s are tanks, just need a slightly longer motor life. Do plastic parts often break on DC14s? Nope. DC41- Sexy looking futuristic and powerful machine. Just needs a better designed cleaner head wheel and cyclone clip along with a dense metal rod in the chassis.

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Re: Trying to choose a vacuum
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2019, 06:33:15 PM »
I would recommend this SEBO. It's got newer turbo brush an hard floor tool. The kombi tool that comes with Pet version of E1 is absolutely rubbish and flimsy.

Or like Parwaz7862, the newest Dyson's upright. We've had it for a week now and so far so good. Comparing to older Small Ball that we had, this one is much quieter and it's easier to empty. 4 tools that are great. 5 years warranty.. I'm really sure that if you look after vacuum it will last. Obviously there's more maintenance than on bagged.
And cleans mint. When we took it to my partner's sister who owns DC14 and vacuumed her shaggy rug, I had to empty the bin on our new Small Ball twice. And she was shocked as apparently she vacuumed a week ago.
Long strechy hose. Just put the vacuum against something and it won't fall over. Nice dusting brushes with soft bristles.
I must say that SEBO's dusting brush is absolutely awful. Stiff bristles and there's just so many of them that when I was vacuuming, the dirt was just stopping on bristles.
I also really like the look of Small Ball Allergy.




I must say I liked SEBO Felix too despite its flaws like poor hard floor cleaning and blowing hot air when you use it to vacuum sofa or chair. It's so nice that you can so easily use hose on them.


Never used Sebo's X series but it just doesn't seem appealing at all. I've watched a lot of vids about this series and it doesn't seem to clean carpets well. On vids it takes few passes to clean pet hair or flour from black carpet.
 It's heavy and bulky. And so what that you can use extra hose to vacuum steps. It just seems so time consuming, getting another hose, connecting it, vacuuming, disconnecting hose and then putting it away. 

You must have some wrong information cause the only Miele that gets higher than C for carpet cleaning is Bllizard with B.
We've had C2 Compact. Light and quiet but no onboard tool storage and tools on the clip are just annoying and get in the way or just fall off.

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Re: Trying to choose a vacuum
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2019, 12:19:11 AM »
A Miele cylinder with the Parquet Twist XL head. It's divine on laminate flooring
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