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Thinking of changing model, advice required, please.
« on: April 26, 2020, 02:57:35 PM »
Been a Dyson user for more years than I care to recall, and the DC33 Stubborn, bought pre-owned 8 years ago, has decided to fail. Motor made a dying sound and smelt, when the other half was using it yesterday, so I’m contemplating using the £100 (maybe cheaper via local Dyson repairer) to fix it to change into another pre-owned/refurb’d upright.
From the reading here and elsewhere, initially thinking I wanted the same or more air watts, I’ve shortlisted the choice to DC41 II/DC55 or DC75 Cinetic.

So, do we fix the DC33 or do the other two have advancements worth making the switch to?

Usage is solid flooring downstairs, and bathroom, and medium pile carpeted stairs and bedrooms, with a potential change to a deeper pile as and when funds permit.

Just for clarity, is the DC55 a DC41 in original or revised form?

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Re: Thinking of changing model, advice required, please.
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2020, 03:55:47 PM »
DC55 is DC41 MK2 with additional tools .
I wouldn't go for Cinetic version. They apparently leak dust into motor. I do think that a model with premotor filter would last much longer.

I've used DC55 for some time and it had a really good suction. I really liked it.
Seemed to clean very well but I stopped using it as the bin seal didn't seem very good. It kinda looked like the dirt was leaking.
The seal that connects vacuum with the bin also isn't very good. It's not tight when vacuum is off, so I'm sure that's gonna cause some problems in the future.


This is a new bin on DC55 that hasn't been emptied before. The seal doesn't seem to be doing a good job at keepin the dust.

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Unless I had some faulty bin. .


For comparison, this is a Light Ball with the bin that's been emptied many times. The seal seals much better doesn't it.




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Re: Thinking of changing model, advice required, please.
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2020, 04:09:34 PM »
So, do we fix the DC33

I'd do that. The DC33 is a great machine. We charge £65 for a new motor fitted. £100 seems a bit much unless theres other stuff wrong with it. But even at that, its cheaper than any decent replacement.

or do the other two have advancements worth making the switch to?

I'd say not. They are not as robust as your DC33.
 
with a potential change to a deeper pile as and when funds permit.

Forget a DC41 with deep pile carpet, it will glue itself to the floor. For deep pile carpets, you want a Sebo really.

Just for clarity, is the DC55 a DC41 in original or revised form?

Same machine.

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Re: Thinking of changing model, advice required, please.
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2020, 05:40:03 PM »
I would repair the DC33, and avoid any of the newer rubbish - my personal choice.
Ensure the repairer strips and services the clutch / fits new belts as well as a new post filter too.
If purchasing a pre owned / refurbed dyson, ensure it has been refurbed properly, not just had a clean and filters washed.
I went out to an old dc04 recently, old lass had bought it as refurbed from a market trader, said it was hard to push, had a seized wheel !
As stu says a sebo would be better all rounder. and probably save you money in the long run.
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Re: Thinking of changing model, advice required, please.
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2020, 12:34:28 AM »
@Halcyon – thanks for confirming the model used for the DC55.
Interesting to hear that about the DC75 Cinetic, and a shame, since I do like the concept, as I’d be fairly lax about cleaning the filters in ours.
I know Parwaz really likes his DC41 II, and hasn’t mentioned the bin seal, and I do like the idea of the motorised head.
I’d say our DC33 isn’t great on solid floors, and edge suction is a bit meh, so part of me is somewhat itching to use the opportunity to switch model.

@MVacs – thanks for the input Stu. The £100 (£99 to be precise) was mentioned as that’s the figure quoted on Dyson’s site. Still waiting on the local independent I found on Yell to respond to the text message I sent him yesterday, so we’ll see what that is first.
Thinking that for an extra £20-50 we could have a “better” model makes a certain amount of sense.
Unsure about the Sebo – some interesting aspects, like the brush-bar removal, and S-Class filtration… but it means having to go backwards as far as bag usage is concerned.
£180 for an X7 Pet from Amazon warehouse (B grade condition?) does put the cat amongst the pigeons, to a degree. However, we’re into budget creep territory, and if the motor and a thorough service can be done for the sort of price you’ve indicated, then £115 can be spent on the home improvements planned.
Weight wise, there doesn’t seem to be much in it, so that’s useful if I end up taking a case of the head staggers!

@ryevacs – thanks for chiming in. Last Dyson serviced/fixed (under warranty?) was way too long ago to remember exactly. Done by Dyson directly, who collected it (DC07 possibly) in a doubled up black bin bag… those were the days!
Good to be made aware of which other parts should be inspected and cleaned/replaced, rather than focusing solely on the motor.

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Re: Thinking of changing model, advice required, please.
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2020, 01:09:12 AM »
I'm just repeating what I've read and seen online about DC75  but like it is in most cases, it's probably improper use and people claiming that it doesn't work. Still, filter is very needed I'd say. Hard to believe that it could work good enough so it wouldn't need a filter.

There's nothing wrong with bags really! Sebo bags are cheap and last ages..
From my experience though, using Sebo uprights need some time getting used to it really.
If you don't have much above the floor cleaning I would recommend Sebo Felix, Manchester Vacs have them in stock refurbished I believe for £129. They have a short hose though so you're gonna have to hold it while using the hose. Also no wand supplied so hard to clean cobwebs and those hard to reach places. If it doesn't bother you, I would go for it.
I believe it would clean much better than Dc33 and don't worry about the bags. Pack of 8 for £11.99 would last you a long time.. You can even get them for less then £10 genuine ones of course.




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Re: Thinking of changing model, advice required, please.
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2020, 10:09:33 PM »
but it means having to go backwards as far as bag usage is concerned.

That is a common misconception. Bags are by no means going backwards. Bags mean no filters to wash, no mushroom cloud when emptying and pretty much no servicing. Please read our vacuum guide on that >>here<<.

£180 for an X7 Pet from Amazon warehouse (B grade condition?) does put the cat amongst the pigeons, to a degree.

Doubtful you'd get the five year Sebo warranty on that at that money. That will probably be an abused return. Amazon is seldom the best value. Sellers pay 20% (in real terms) to sell there. We sell there. We charge more there as those costs must be passed along.

Better to spend more now on a machine that suits your needs than buy two or three over the next decade.

We are doing minor repairs every week on Sebos that are 12-15+ years old. These are machines that never saw a workshop before. That would make a £300 machine today cost £20 a year. Plus an average of 3p a day for the bags.

If it's just about cost, we have some reconditioned X1s at £129 and some reconditioned X4s at £169. Just a thought. Your DC33 remains a superb machine and is well worth fixing.

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Re: Thinking of changing model, advice required, please.
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2020, 11:42:56 PM »
I'd recommend a refurbished DC14. the DC33 is okay but I think it's kinda crap TBH. The DC14 is basically a better built DC33

The DC14 has a bigger bin
Better, bigger pre motor filter and seal
Longer hose
Metal wand with wider diamater so less likely to clog and gives better stability in wand mode and upright mode
DC33s always crack their bodies in half just behind where the cyclone catch is located because they're too flimsy

I'd rather have the DC55 over a DC33, at least their motors are reliable and they clean much better than the DC33 too. Get a Dyson small ball (light ball) though if you have hard flooring cos that thing excels at any floor type, there's some pretty good light ball reviews on Youtube as well
DC14s are tanks, just need a slightly longer motor life. Do plastic parts often break on DC14s? Nope. DC41- Sexy looking futuristic and powerful machine. Just needs a better designed cleaner head wheel and cyclone clip along with a dense metal rod in the chassis.

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Re: Thinking of changing model, advice required, please.
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2020, 12:01:52 AM »
get the floor man in and fit laminate.  ;D
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Re: Thinking of changing model, advice required, please.
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2020, 05:45:23 PM »
get the floor man in and fit laminate.  ;D

Yeah… that’s never happening. 

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Re: Thinking of changing model, advice required, please.
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2020, 06:11:49 PM »
An update and some more input being sought.
The repair cost, locally, is £70, so that’s a welcome reduction over Dyson’s own price.

After viewing more videos than I care to think of, I think I’m leaning slightly more in favour of a pre-owned/refurb’d Sebo Felix. On that front, I’ve seen it mentioned that it’s not suited for Saxony carpet (I presume that’s deep pile); what makes the X-series head more suitable than the ET-1?
After 8 years with the DC33, I guess part of me fancies something newer/different to what we’ve had, rather than simply just getting it fixed/serviced... although it may come to that, depending on what’s available.

@Parwaz – DC55 comment noted, and stored for consideration if nothing happens on the Sebo front.

@MVacs – anything in the offing regarding refurb’d Felixs?

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Re: Thinking of changing model, advice required, please.
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2020, 07:38:41 PM »
An update and some more input being sought.
The repair cost, locally, is £70, so that’s a welcome reduction over Dyson’s own price.

Two caveats here. *If* Dyson will repair that at £99 (I thought they charged more) then I'd do that over the local indy @ £70. The reason being that Dyson will fit a genuine motor and the indy won't. Depending whose motor he uses depends how long that will last (here is why). You'll never know as they all look the same pretty much anyway.

After viewing more videos than I care to think of, I think I’m leaning slightly more in favour of a pre-owned/refurb’d Sebo Felix. On that front, I’ve seen it mentioned that it’s not suited for Saxony carpet (I presume that’s deep pile); what makes the X-series head more suitable than the ET-1?

If you have very deep pile carpets, you want an Automatic X - no question. Felix is a manual adjuster, which is painful on very deep carpets.

@MVacs – anything in the offing regarding refurb’d Felixs?

Yes, we have three in at the moment as it goes.



These two and a black one. £129 inc delivery and 10 bags. Theyre not on the site, holler here if you want one or more photos.

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