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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2021, 04:04:10 PM »
Thanks dysondestijl - so to be clear this is the one you recommended and is not a descendent from the DC50 - out of intrest was it a new model from the rest of the range? https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/home-appliances/floorcare/vacuum-cleaners/dyson-small-ball-allergy-upright-bagless-vacuum-cleaner-iron-10200135-pdt.html

Just so I can report back - what is this machine? https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/home-appliances/floorcare/vacuum-cleaners/dyson-ball-animal-2-upright-bagless-vacuum-cleaner-grey-red-10178718-pdt.html?intcmpid=display~RR
I cant find where its derived from or where it sits in the Dyson range but as I say its has marginally better suction! Could this also be a model to consider and if not why?

Once I have that intel I can report into HQ as its her money, as I was reminded of this morning (which is where the second link has come from.... lol)

That then wraps up my question - other than if my old machines have any value?
The DC25 still works but needs a good service and comes with all the original paperwork and the posh bag of tools assuming I cant use them on the small ball as advised?
Then the DC16 which was working until the battery gave up - again we have the original charger and the paperwork, infact I think we also have the tools for that too some of which have not been used much if at all!

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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2021, 08:19:17 PM »
https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/home-appliances/floorcare/vacuum-cleaners/dyson-small-ball-allergy-upright-bagless-vacuum-cleaner-iron-10200135-pdt.html

Just so I can report back - what is this machine? https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/home-appliances/floorcare/vacuum-cleaners/dyson-ball-animal-2-upright-bagless-vacuum-cleaner-grey-red-10178718-pdt.html?intcmpid=display~RR


Dyson Ball Animal 2 is basically the same machine as Light Ball or Small Ball Allergy. Comes with a turbine head that you can use to vacuum under furniture. The turbine head cannot be used on Light Ball or Small Ball Allergy as it has a slightly different connection.
It's a bit heavier, has a bigger bin and longer cord. Also wand set up is a bit different than on Small Ball/Light Ball. Works the same as it does on DC25 if I'm right. You need to pull whole wand, then you get a wand connected to hose with a handle. I prefer Small Ball's set up. It's just quicker when you need to use hose..

It's literally first Dyson I've used. Picks up absolutely brilliantly despite lower suction. We only sold it as it was too big for our house and I didn't like hose set up.

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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2021, 09:06:49 PM »
Halcyon - Thats sooooo spooky as I just read one of your first posts back in 2019 (I think it was) where you had just got the aforementioned (Dyson Ball Animal 2 - have I understood that right?) and became concerned about dust appearing behind the bin!!! Someone said it was due to static which is what I experience each time I touch the hoover after its been used on a carpet... great excuse to get out of the chore... just need to think of one for painting!!!

Im not too worried about how the hand attachments go together its all about the performance and the other half is shall we say pecking my head...!

Forgive me but I am sure I read somewhere that the DC55 and Dyson Ball Animal2 has more suction than the Small Ball or have I gotten that the wrong way round?
Where you said It's literally first Dyson I've used. Picks up absolutely brilliantly despite lower suction. We only sold it as it was too big for our house and I didn't like hose set up. - what were you referring to? If I understood it, your machine was the DBA2 so what were you comparing it to? Now I am confused!

Ill do some more reading but at least we are down to 2 models now although she is reading up about the DC55... its driving me batty but thanks for the support lads... at least I am not alone...

You will note my project was the Hoover for the cars etc... covered in the other thread... My Charles will be arriving on Friday... got a heck of a deal without driving you lot nuts at the barrage of questions!!!

My thanks to each and every one of you... I owe you all a pint!

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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2021, 11:18:26 PM »
This is what has been driving the questions around suction;

https://www.overstock.com/guides/dyson-vacuum-buying-guide

As I pointed out - the AW figures need to be checked as I have seen 90AW quoted for the DC75 but here its rated at 180AW?

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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2021, 11:47:01 PM »
Dave, donít worry yourself with air watts figures. If you feel the suction of your DC25, and then feel the suction level of a new Small Ball Allergy, Iím almost certain youíll find them the same. Air watts cannot be measured accurately. To put it in to perspective, A lot of the old vacuum cleaners that were built to last, went on for years and did a damn good job of carpet cleaning, actually had very little air watts at all. Whereas a lot of more modern cleaners from inferior brands such as Vax and Hoover, had very high Air Watts but were total rubbish- Itís not an accurate measure of performance.
Ref the Ball Animal 2, as said above, floor performance will be the same as the S/B/Allergy, but it ďfeaturesĒ a more convoluted wand system, which adds weight and makes it quite uncomfortable on the wrist. Not worth the upgrade if you ask me.

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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2021, 10:49:48 PM »
Hi!
Thought I'd give my opinion of some Dyson models here
The Dc25 whilst it's an okay machine, the newer ball models will outperform it due to their improved engineering.

I have a small ball allergy up22 and dc55. Both are excellent machines. The dc55 is better than the dc25 in my opinion in terms of reliability and cleaning power on both carpets and hard floors. It has a spring loaded soleplate which means it'll focus the suction into your carpet for a really good deep clean and the brush vibrates the carpet more than the dc25 too so it'll pull out more deep down grit. The cyclone catches can break if you're rough on them though and the wand pops out if you make a sharp turn to the left aggressively

The small ball allergy is almost better than the dc55 except the hose suction isn't as strong and the bin is slightly smaller. However, despite that it's got a VERY quiet motor, you can have a conversation over it! The cleaner head also has a wider brushbar so it'll resist hair tangles better rhan the dc25 and 55

It also performs better on hard floors as it won't push large debris around. If you have very thick shaggy carpets then it's the best choice because the wide diameter brushbar digs in better than the older models. It has no gaps in between the brushbar bristles so you're getting full wide coverage and there's no belt lines and soleplate bars so with a Dc25 you may have to go over the same area twice, with the small ball allergy one pass is all it takes

The carpet grooming ability is also rhe best because of the many bristles it has. It has plastic bumps in the brushbar so when the carpet gets sucked I to the head, the plastic beaters beat the carpet for a deep clean to get out the embedded dirt and grit

It's ironed out the flaws of the dc55 and has a reinforced wand so is more sturdy and the wand doesn't pop out when making sharp 90 degree turns

Oh and PS since there are no pipes around the ball like the dc25, the maneuverability is a lot more agile

The mini small ball up15 is decent but quite noisy
DC14s are tanks, just need a slightly longer motor life. Do plastic parts often break on DC14s? Nope. DC41- Sexy looking futuristic and powerful machine. Just needs a better designed cleaner head wheel and cyclone clip along with a dense metal rod in the chassis.

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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2021, 10:51:33 PM »
PS Don't worry about airwatts, the small ball allergy has 90 airwatts and the dc55 has 198 airwatts(small ball allergy has less than half the suction of the dc55)  however due to the better engineering the small ball allergy cleans better and sticks to the floor better on + mode than the dc55
DC14s are tanks, just need a slightly longer motor life. Do plastic parts often break on DC14s? Nope. DC41- Sexy looking futuristic and powerful machine. Just needs a better designed cleaner head wheel and cyclone clip along with a dense metal rod in the chassis.

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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2021, 01:04:29 AM »
Parwaz7862... so tell me - what do you know about Dysons then!!!  :reading:
I have seen some contributions from you throughout the site and you must eat product manuals for breakfast!! :coffee:

Once again thank you for a very comprehensive reply and to make my reply to you as short as possible as many will be shaking their heads by now  :'( - ruling out the DC75 and the DC55 now leaves the Small Ball Allergy and the Dyson Ball Animal2.

Now I believe both are newer machines and forgive me but from the info I have seen;

Small Ball Allergy = UP22
Dyson Ball Animal2 = UP24

Do I have that right?

I am much more clear on the benefits of the UP22 - Dyson Small Ball Allergy... so what's the story with the other?

Now apologies in advance as I may well have missed that others have discussed this machine already but because the names and model numbers of these machines can become quite confusing to the student (me) life has taught me to ask more questions, if not sure - no matter how embarrassed I might feel!

So last words to you and I look forward to seeing what you think too and hope the thread will help others in the same position!

PS in terms of carpets we have just your normal Wool twist, Beige carpets - no rugs and then we have tiled floors - that's not to say we may change them sometime in the future.
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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2021, 01:26:41 AM »
Aha, thank you very much! I believe if you're passionate about something you wanna know all about it!

The ball animal 2 upright is the bigger version of the small ball allergy. They both have the same power and performance and are almost identical machines except the ball animal 2 offers the following benefits;
Bigger dust capacity
Metal wand for stability
Redesigned wand and hose vs the up22 so the metal wand also has a pivoting neck which reduces strain on the hose end
The hose is longer
Better tool storage allowing you to store the tangle free turbine head which the up22 doesnt include unless you get a Dyson animal
And a low reach floortool for under beds etc where the main vacuums ball won't fit


Both vacuums have a 5 year guarantee so you're all good, so £300 ball animal 2 and you get 5 years minimum out of it that's £60 a year which isn't a lot for a vacuum. Because cheap disposable inferior vacuums break after a year or two and cost more than that

Incase you change your flooring in the future these are the Dyson models to get from the up22 and 24 because my dc55 doesn't work on my new thick bedroom carpet whereas with the up22 I can just adjust the setting on the head and it works! The dc55 would suck down too hard and jam the brushbar so it's a good job you narrowed that model out
DC14s are tanks, just need a slightly longer motor life. Do plastic parts often break on DC14s? Nope. DC41- Sexy looking futuristic and powerful machine. Just needs a better designed cleaner head wheel and cyclone clip along with a dense metal rod in the chassis.

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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2021, 01:38:55 AM »
Outstanding and thank you - any negatives in your view re the UP24 Dyson Ball Animal2?

Also having looked at the sites Full Dyson vacuum model number list where does the UP24 sit - thats just me being a nerd!!!!

Ill be then on the look out for a machine which quells this thread - but beware... ill be back - as I fancy having a stab at repairing the DC16 and DC25 we have to get rid as there are some selling still now for reasonable money!   :grinn:
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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2021, 09:07:17 AM »
The only negatives I can think of really of the UP24 is that the wand is a bit narrower in diameter compared to the UP22 and that the weight of the UP22 is lighter than the UP24
DC14s are tanks, just need a slightly longer motor life. Do plastic parts often break on DC14s? Nope. DC41- Sexy looking futuristic and powerful machine. Just needs a better designed cleaner head wheel and cyclone clip along with a dense metal rod in the chassis.

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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2021, 11:16:47 AM »
I find the UP24 is uncomfortably heavy in use, I much prefer the UP22, much less strain on the wrist

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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2021, 01:08:52 PM »
Gentlemen thats fabulous - much appreciated and I am sorry to appear to have asked some daft questions!!

However sorry to press - but out of curiosity - where does the UP24 sit in the excellent guide the sate admin has under the heading in the top right of the home page labelled 'Dyson vacuum model number list. With photos'

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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2021, 04:56:45 PM »
Apologies that last message should read as follows!

Gentlemen that's fabulous - much appreciated and I am sorry to appear to have asked some daft questions!!

However, sorry to press - but out of curiosity - where does the UP24 sit in the excellent guide the site admin has in the top right of the home page labelled 'Dyson vacuum model number list. With photos'?

Have an outstanding weekend!
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Re: DC41MKII or DC55 or Small Ball
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2021, 07:38:45 PM »
where does the UP24 sit in the excellent guide the site admin has in the top right of the home page labelled 'Dyson vacuum model number list. With photos'?

I don't believe I've done those two yet.  :underchair:

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