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Title: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: MVacs on August 01, 2017, 12:52:06 AM
The new vacuum cleaner energy label, set to come into effect on 1 September 2017, will reduce the maximum wattage from 1600 to 900 watts for any new vacuum cleaner manufactured or sold in the EU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x81o9GSjxQ

Despite the UK having voted for Brexit, we are bound by these EU rules until we actually leave the EU. From September the 1st 2017, new vacuum cleaners will be a maximum of 900w. Our friends in places like the US, Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Switzerland, Norway and Russia are not affected by EU rules. They will still have full power vacuum cleaners.

What vacuums are exempt?

This doesn't apply to new vacuums bought before September 1st this year, or to reconditioned vacuum cleaners. So a reconditioned 1600w Dyson DC33 (https://shop.manchestervacs.co.uk/buy-reconditioned-dysons-online/reconditioned-dyson-dc33) is still a great buy and will remain so.  :thumbsup:

Certain vacuum cleaners are not covered by the EU regulations. This means products like floor polishers, robot vacuums, mattress cleaners, hand-held and battery operated vacuum cleaners do not fall within the remit of these new rules. Standard upright and cylinder vacuums are covered, however.

The full details of the new EU law can be found >here< (http://www.truvox.com/support/2017-eco-vacuum-regulations).

What will change?

Many of the machines we know and love will no longer be available in the UK market.

For example, Sebo, the German manufacturer (https://manchestervacs.co.uk/DysonForum/index.php/topic,2161.0.html), will be withdrawing the much loved X and BS commercial ranges from the UK. Markets like Australia and Russia will still have them. For the EU, Sebo will be putting out a new range of vacuum cleaners.

Sebo have already put out this warning:

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This means if you want one of the much-loved, iconic and very capable Sebo X4 vacuum cleaners (https://seboshop.co.uk/sebo-vacuum-cleaners/buy-sebo-upright-vacuum-cleaner/sebo-x4-automatic-extra-eco-vacuum-cleaner), the time to buy is now. After September, they will no longer be available.

Is 900w enough?

There are some very capable vacuum cleaners out there that already adhere to the new rules. The Sebo Felix (https://seboshop.co.uk/sebo-vacuum-cleaners/buy-sebo-upright-vacuum-cleaner/sebo-felix-vacuum-cleaner) is such an example.

For those that prefer a cordless vacuum cleaner, the Dyson V8 - being exempt from the rules - is probably the best you can buy. That said, it will leave a V8 size hole in your pocket to buy one. The V8 range currently cost between 370 and 550 on Dyson's website.

The 900w rule will though remove some much-loved vacuum cleaners from the UK market. The range topping Sebo X4 Automatic Pet Boost (https://seboshop.co.uk/sebo-vacuum-cleaners/buy-sebo-upright-vacuum-cleaner/sebo-x4-automatic-pet-vacuum-cleaner) will be just a memory in the UK after September.

Stock that is already here will still be able to be sold. In reality, this means come early 2018 any new high wattage machines that remain will go up in price as people search out higher wattage machines against a backdrop of retailer's declining hoarded stock bought now.

The future.

Until the UK actually leaves the EU, and assuming the government rescinds their rules, we are stuck with this. This means the very earliest the UK is out of these rules is 2019 but more likely a year or two after that until the trickle down takes effect.

From September, if you are buying a new vacuum cleaner over 900w, it will be pre September 2017 bought stock. As stock diminishes into early 2018, we expect people will once again look at reconditioned machines that are not restricted by EU rules.

The big names like Sebo, Dyson, Bosch and Miele know this is coming and are planning for it. All should have 900w machines on the market that are quite decent. However, as any petrol-head knows, a large six or eight cylinder engine will always be infinitely better than a three or four cylinder eco engine. Yes, your Prius will get you from A-B, but wouldn't you rather arrive in a Jag?

If you are planning to buy a new vacuum in the next year or so now is the time to do it before the 900w rule comes in and before prices go up. And whatever you buy, please avoid the budget lemons like Hoover, Gtech, Vax, Electrolux, Zanussi, etc. Buy Dyson, Sebo or something else German.
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: GeorgeJ on August 02, 2017, 07:41:06 PM
So this does mean that existing stocks are allowed to diminish?  It seems to imply that but I'm not certain.  Anyway, I suppose you could open the new ones up and claim they are "reconditioned." :))
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: MVacs on August 02, 2017, 07:48:34 PM
Any stock anyone is holding already that is in the country as of September 1st can be sold any time after that.
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: GeorgeJ on August 02, 2017, 07:56:23 PM
Sounds like an opportunity for an enterprising business to stock up on hundreds of quality 1300W vacs and put them in storage somewhere...  I imagine if these regulations stay in place, by 2020 you could have the "new" Dysons and Sebos showcased next to the "classic, optimum power" models, all new in the box, side by side with a casual, but agreeable, markup.
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: MVacs on August 02, 2017, 08:51:24 PM
Sebos went down to 1100w I believe a couple of years back when phase one of this came in. But they can't take the X4 or the BS36 any lower hence the new range that will be coming out. We had some old stock 1300w ones this year and they flew out.

Many wholesalers will be stocking up I gather, and Sebo will bring as many as they can into the country before the cut off.

Holding a large stock at retail level does carry a security risk and tie up a lot of capital, though. 
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: MVOlga on August 16, 2017, 05:40:55 PM
Comment on the situation from the UK head of Sebo here: New energy label is failing vacuum cleaner users says Justin Binks MD of SEBO UK (https://manchestervacs.co.uk/DysonForum/index.php/topic,3215.msg27077.html#msg27077)
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: Madrat on August 16, 2017, 06:23:26 PM
All a load of EU rubbish, punish the little man let the fat cat get away with it.
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: GeorgeJ on August 16, 2017, 06:38:08 PM
All a load of EU rubbish, punish the little man let the fat cat get away with it.
Yeah you can be sure the price of the lower powered vacs won't drop equally  :boggleeye:
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: MVacs on August 16, 2017, 07:58:10 PM
All a load of EU rubbish,

After Brexit, if the government rescinds that element of EU legislation, we can have bigger stuff back again.

No saying they will rescind it though.........

Rumour is Sebo are importing vast quantities of machines now before the deadline.
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: beko1987 on August 16, 2017, 08:58:22 PM
We won't get bigger stuff back again. Especially not from tti or sebo. Why would they make an entirely seperate uk only 3000w model? Whwn the majority of their target market can't have it?

Numatic might, but their UK and seem to be churning out no end of random shite at the moment
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: MVacs on August 17, 2017, 11:30:05 AM
We won't get bigger stuff back again. Especially not from tti or sebo. Why would they make an entirely seperate uk only 3000w model? Whwn the majority of their target market can't have it?

Remember, plenty of markets are not in this nonsense and X4s for example will continue to be made for Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Switzerland, South Africa, Russia, etc. Not forgetting the north American market.
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: beko1987 on August 17, 2017, 05:10:28 PM
That's a fair point. OK, maybe TTI won't, but their lazy.

Saying that, didn't the gubbirmunt pass all current EU law as our own to placate the remoaners? Won't this be hoovered (haha) up with that?
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: MVacs on August 17, 2017, 09:29:08 PM
The government indeed passed EU law into UK law to facilitate Brexit without a hitch. From there, we can rescind as our own lawmakers wish.

I am sure a couple of helpful MPs and a parliamentary petition can get it heard in the commons after we have left the EU. We'll put our mailing list behind that cause. If Q, Sebo and outfits like espares did the same, a petition would soon hit the needed 100k to get a session.  :icon_nod:
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: Dysonboy on August 20, 2017, 03:32:30 AM
How are these rules going to affect aftermarket replacement motors and importing machines?

Would be still legally be able to import a brand new high wattage machine after these rules kick in from somewhere that works on the 220/250v and isn't covered by these stupid eu rules?

Would buying an aftermarket motor be limited? Would we still be able to get 1600w aftermarket yak style replacement motors or would that be classed as an upright/canister even though it's just a motor?

Tbh government - eu - Brexit- I'm not old enough to vote so I couldn't vote Brexit or that lot but it did fall howninwould of voted anyways so my vote wouldn't made any difference.

How do these rules restrict importing brand new high wattage machines from country's not affected by these rules though is my main concern.
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: Dysonboy on August 20, 2017, 03:34:12 AM
Oh and how do Kirby sit? Are they still making vacuums? I don't know anything sboutkirby but am staring to get into them do if they still exist how do they work with these rules? Guessing they are classed as an upright/canister and are also limited?
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: MVacs on September 01, 2017, 01:00:29 PM
Our shop, staff and some of our Sebo vacuums were featured on several BBC news items today on the subject of these new rules.

Here are two:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSzIbs4bad8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHbBHhSyLQI
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: MVacs on September 01, 2017, 01:04:06 PM
How are these rules going to affect aftermarket replacement motors and importing machines?

They won't.

Would be still legally be able to import a brand new high wattage machine after these rules kick in from somewhere that works on the 220/250v and isn't covered by these stupid eu rules?

Yes.

Would buying an aftermarket motor be limited? Would we still be able to get 1600w aftermarket yak style replacement motors or would that be classed as an upright/canister even though it's just a motor?

Spare parts are not included in these rules.
Title: Re: New EU 900w Vacuum Cleaner Rules in September 2017
Post by: Madrat on September 01, 2017, 01:51:07 PM
It's very true what they are saying, the appliances might be more efficient but there are lots more I've them, and how do the class then as efficient when you can't turn them off or repair them and they end up in landfill.