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Title: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 09:48:04 pm
It's Sebo city here at Beko towers at the moment! I picked these up for £10 each a while ago

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This post is about the white one. The blue one needs parts and is currently languishing in the shed until I get round to it. This thread is about the white one.

Of course, there is a before refurb video



I did do a few things I will not recommend as they did not work, I'll point them out as we go along!

But first, I had a look at the filter

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Which was, erm, used!

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A vacuum with the other sebo did nothing

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So I put it and the hose in the washing machine! DO NOT DO THIS, it fell apart! Hose came out lovely though

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With that done, it's time to look at the machine itself!

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Handle off first

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There's 2 screws. One machine one that holds the handle to the shaft

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and one coarse thread that holds the 2 halves of the handle together

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 09:54:22 pm
The handle pulls out from the shaft, and separates as it comes

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The cable clamp is removed

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Which makes the switch easier to see

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2 screws loosened removes the mains cable

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which was damaged sadly

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So I measured back from the damage, and chopped it there to keep the internal length in the handle that was needed

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The cable exit grommit was broken too, and I was going to glue it back together, but decided it looked fine without it so just threw it away!

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Moving on

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The switch surround cover pops off the front, bringing the switch outer with it

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 09:58:32 pm
The switch itself sits under that

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And with the wires the other side removed, pops out

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This black wire is some sort of earth, and connects to the metal part of the handle

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Under here

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To remove it, push down, flick it off where it sits and pull it out

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The socket that holds the wires sits at the bottom

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And once released with a tab, pulls out, bringing the wires with it

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It's seen some use I think...

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I couldn't find a way of removing the wires from this part, but did notice the dust

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 10:02:58 pm
So grabbed a pin out of her sewing kit and spent a few minutes pulling out the surprisingly large amount of dirt that was trapped inside!

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Onwards to the next step

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(I'd put the hose back on to use it, hence why we see it again) off with the hose and wand

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And off with the tools

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The brush strip on the upholstry brush comes off

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Time to split the machine to make it easier

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The hose clip pulls off with ease

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Time to look inside

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And time to have the bag door catch off

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 10:12:12 pm
The part that stops the bag door being closed without a bag in place pops out of it's locating tabs, bringing its little spring with it

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Then by popping the pegs out and sliding the bag holder down it comes away

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2 screws hold the door catch to the door

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which pulls out, bringing a little metal thrust plate with it

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Next, the bag door seals come off WHICH I DO NOT RECOMMEND as they were a pain to re-seat properly, which killed the suction to start with...

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Out with the filter cage which I re-fitted so the bag door shut, and then binned which was a silly idea, as I'll explain later

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We want the lower right of the 4 screws here

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Which releases the hose entry port

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There's a sorry looking foam gasket under that, which I would have liked to replace, but could not find one

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 10:17:56 pm
A metal part, of whose purpose I was not quite sure of pulls out of the hose port

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The next stage of the internal wiring pulls out of the chassis now

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Followed by 3 clips. 2 of which are simple

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The bottom one contains the mechanism that stops the bag door being fitted if the filter isn't in place

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Which once unscrewed comes off easily, don't forget the spring, which fits like this

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Nor the plastic retainer

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Done

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Underneath now, and there are two screws holding the plug in place

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Which pulls out

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 10:24:36 pm
However, the plugs wont fit through the hole. Push down on the prongs on the top plug, which pops the terminals out, allowing full withdrawal

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Back to the 3 screws inside the bag door

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Which removes the lower cord hook

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This metal tab provides the slight locking mechanism you get when you twist it

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Back underneath now! See those screws?

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Remove them! Then, faff about for 20 minutes trying to remove the inner bottom part from the chassis without causing too much damage. It's clipped on in odd places

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The suction path seal pulls out

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The body release button is clipped into the lower part

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It pops out, and the button pops off the bar

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 10:30:12 pm
Moving down some more, to the main motor unit

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The post motor filter looked a little grubby

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Time to remove the brushroll, end cap off

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Nice

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The glamour trim comes off

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The brushroll is in excellent* condition

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but causes the brushroll knackered light to come on. Underneath is less spotless than I hoped it would be tbh

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 10:47:51 pm
Rear baseplate off

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Then 4 long machine screws remove the hood

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This inner sound deadening should be white...

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Filter door release latch unscrews

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That's about it under here

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Ah wait, no it isnt

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First out is the belt cover, which lifts out

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With that removed, the part that I can only describe as a locating pin pops off if it hasnt fallen out already (I had to re fit it for this shot...)

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 10:58:06 pm
The spring turned out to be broken, although it's not really critical

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I found this tiny part of the bumper lifted out

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As did the slightly larger front piece

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PCB now, the connector at the front is for the height control module (of which you can see more of here - https://manchestervacs.co.uk/DysonForum/index.php/topic,3067.0.html)

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Then the height module can be removed (this is Dily's one, I sent her back the good one from this just in case!)

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The link ribbon between the power PCB and computer PCB can be removed

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Then 2 screws

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and the PCB lifts off!

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The two black wires are power to the motor

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 11:01:45 pm
This cover forms part of the pivoting assembly

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And lifts off

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Next, undo the screws holding the motor cover on

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And lift it off

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Unplug these two blue wires, the last part of the spinal cord

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Motor out

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Rear mount off

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Hole

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Flip the machine over now, and undo the 4 larger screws

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 11:06:14 pm
And lift the suction duct out

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Oh look, tetanus..

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I put that in Amy's cereal box  :whist11:

and pulled the mounts off the suction duct, and removed all the cork seals

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Popped off this black plastic ring

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and removed the cable clamp

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Another small locking tab and the socket pushes upwards

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and again, pushing on the thin terminals pops them out, allowing the harness to be removed

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Another plastic ring the other side to remove (I think these are spacers)

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This is the lock for the recline mechanism, to have it floating, or so it lifts the cleaner head when you recline it enough. It just snaps out

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 11:12:42 pm
The gauze that must stop so much filth being sucked into the motor pops off

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Oh look, another PCB! This one controls power I think

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Not quite sure how, unless it steps it down for the height control motor and just feeds it's voltage straight to it. The thermal cutout sits on here too

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The brushroll end cap release button pops off

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Then, the front baseplate pops off after releasing several locking pins. I think it's a dirt trap

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Next, it's time for the belt gubbins

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Which lifts off once unscrewed, and the belts fall off

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DO NOT DO THIS PART - It got me nowhere and was a right mare to put back in...

Remove the mounting cradle

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With a bearing puller, take the bearing off

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 11:17:36 pm
This spring thing is removed next

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Then the big plastic floating part pulled off, making the spring that fits into it go ping...

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But after this I could go (nor wanted to really) go no further!

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so spent half an hour faffing it all back together. Just don't bother kids! Just say no...

Back to normal matters, the brushroll drive cog lifts out

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Back underneath now. The wheels are held in with 3 screwed down tabs

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 11:22:46 pm
The last DO NOT DO THIS BIT! is this. Just leave the axle whole and wash it as it is, after removing the wheel glamour caps.

Or...

Pop off the glamour caps, and lever the spider clip up the axle

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Remove the wheel. Do the other side, then pop the foot pedal off

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Just don't, it bit me in the arse as I shall explain later!

So, all washed, dried and some considerable ciffing later, it's time to put it back together!

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Starting with the wheels.

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The spring that makes the foot lever spring back fits on like so

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I then broke one of the very thin and fragile wheel clips refitting the wheels, but bodged it well enough I thought, and re-fitted the assembly to the machine

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Then back off again as the pedal has to go on first

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 :'(
Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 11:29:29 pm
Make sure the spring sits like so

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Then clamp it all down

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Refit the glamour caps for the wheels

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That done, grab the belt drive cog

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And fire some lithium grease into it's depths to shut it up a bit!

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Then refit it and it's belt

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Fit the other belt and the cog mechanism

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I'm not quite sure how the cog mech works tbh, it doesn't stop the drive at all. My only thought is it takes any tension off the motor drive belt. So if the brushroll jams or slows, it pulls on the spring, moving the metal rod away from a sensor on the PCB, which takes that as a bad thing and knocks it off and flashes the red light. Or similar...

I forgot to mention these on the stripdown, but the belt guards pull out. And now we need to push them back in!

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 11:37:23 pm
They only really fit where they are supposed to, so nothing too complicated

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Pop the front base plate on

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Then the brushroll release button

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Power PCB in

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Now start building the pivoting suction duct back up, starting with the pointless gauze (I mean what use will that be in the event of a grade B bag breach?

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Snap the recline lock in

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Pop the spacer (I'll call them that) rings in

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Feed the first loom up and in

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 11:41:26 pm
And wire the plug up

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Snap that in and refit the cable clamp

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Pop this side's spacer ring on

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Felt (not cork) seals now, and I noticed one side was worn from 20 years of use

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So just like life resetting a Dyson clutch, I flipped it over to the good side!

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And the other

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and fitted to the suction duct

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That magnet butts up against a sensor on the power PCB, and tells the height control motor to go full up for park, or to lower to start cleaning. Drop the whole unit in and screw it down!

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 11:45:19 pm
Plug the blue wires in

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Motor now, rubber mount on

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The motor looks very clean for 20 years old! I left it well alone

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Made in USA... I thought Sebo was all German?

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Either way, fitted!

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And secured down so it can't escape

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Top pivot cover now

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Centre wheel back on the height control

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 11:48:57 pm
And fitted

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Time to tidy the wires up

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and fit the second PCB

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And connect the link ribbon

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Front and side bumper back on

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Locating bar located, with the remains of it's spring

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Under the hood now, and the filter latch was refitted

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And the hood screwed down, with the rear baseplate fitted

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 11:53:29 pm
Top cover on

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Brushroll end cap refitted

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and then IMMEDIATELY REMOVED because the postman had been! Stuart, your Sebo rep told me off for this on facebook,

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A brand new brushroll! Which was amazingly nice and stiff! And a new filter, which I had in the shed anyway

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Much better!

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Beautiful

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The new brushroll looked alot smarter too

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Was a tad longer too

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Wonderful

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 07, 2017, 11:57:53 pm
(then back off again because i found the cap that holds the locating bracket in the airing cupboard...)

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Done! Moving on up, and time to fit the locking latch and bar to the bottom insert

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Then fit the insert to the bag compartment, although you do have to ensure this spring is helped into position as you go with a screwdriver

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Screwed home

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Seal fitted

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Lower cord hook now, metal bracket fitted

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Both parts together

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and fitted to the machine!

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Spinal cord pt2 was threaded up and in, then screwed down

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 08, 2017, 12:02:29 am
Then the top plug was fitted and the cable was fed into place

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Lower cable clip and safety latch was fitted

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Then the other two clamps. Random metal part fitted to the top hose inlet port

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Which lowers into place with it's wimpy foam gasket

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Screwed down

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Bag door seals fitted (badly as it turned out)

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And it's time to reassemble the latch

Metal plate

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Latch itself

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Screw that down (then backed it off 1/4 a turn when it was all together as I'd done it too tightly and the latch didn't move properly...)

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 08, 2017, 12:07:24 am
Fitting the bag holder is ALOT easier than taking it off. Just push it up from the bottom FIRMLY and the latch part snaps into place by itself

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Fit the bag safety latch

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Bag chamber fitted to the motor unit

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At this juncture, the new pre filter had not arrived, so a little hack, I popped the spring off the safety device and moved the bar out of the way so the bag door would close!

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Because although there was no filter, what there was, was BAGS! I've had these in the shed for years and frankly they were annoying, so they got used on this budget rebuild! I kept one incase it came in handy, the rest went with the machine

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They came from a church with a Hoover Turbopower Boost! Boxes are long gone though

I fitted one

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And closed the bag door

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Popped the hose on

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Fitted the hose to the wand

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 08, 2017, 12:11:10 am
And fitted the wand to the machine

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Upholstry tool next

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Small tools fitted

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Home stretch now, don't worry! Handle wiring fed up the handle

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Click

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Random moody shot, but the earth strap is fed down the plastic handle and hooked onto it's tab with a screwdriver the other end, then pulled back up slightly

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Switch snapped into place

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And the switch button and surround are fitted

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More terrible lighting, but the handle wiring was connected to the switch

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 08, 2017, 12:14:58 am
Time to feed the mains cable through the handle

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Strip it back, wire it up and assemble the handle back together

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Fitted the handle

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Then I wound the cable up and  >:( >:( >:( :censored: :censored: >:(

Didn't ruddy see that. After I tested it all worked, I had the handle open again and chopped it back some more so that small scuff was hidden internally... saved myself a new cable there

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Around this point, huzzah the filter arrived, but oh  :censored: its not got the cage with it... which I binned over 2 weeks ago by this point, long gone...

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So a quick rob of the X4 Extra for it's cage and

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Spring popped back on

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Tadaaa

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Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 08, 2017, 12:19:31 am
We are finished! Trash to Treasure I think

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The after video:


Which highlights the bag door seal issue... Some quick fondling had that better.

And off it sold, very easily actually. I ended up part exchanging it for £50 and a Henry whose motor I replaced back in Jan. Henry then got a quick wash and refurb, and sold himself for £55, so £105, - £13 for the brushroll and pre filter. Happy Days.

Except 2 weeks later the lady messaged me saying the wheel kept falling off  :underchair: Seemed my bodge did not work. I said please bring it back and I will fix it FOC (by robbing the wheels from the ever shrinking X4), but she hasn't got back to me in the 3 weeks preceding that. Might drop her another message. She's a cleaner by trade, and I don't like the idea of her having a hard time trying to earn a crust. Plus I can do a mini update on the Sebo! She said there was no suction from the head either, so she's probably blocked it...

Watch this space (possibly, if she won't bring it back I won't force her...)

Thanks for reading!
Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: ryevac on August 08, 2017, 12:34:55 am
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Thanks for an informative post, there was a few things there i hadn't realised before.
Had many in for simple cable entry point damage but always makes me laugh when customers attempt it themselves and drop the nut in the ali handle profile after removing the screw.

Just out of interest, did you grease the brush roll end cap bearing ?
Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 08, 2017, 12:36:56 am
I don't think I did now you mention it. If I see it for its repair I'll give it a splazz! I feel silly for forgetting now actually!
Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: ryevac on August 08, 2017, 06:55:27 pm
it's a crap bearing imo, never liked them. I checked our two  new models on display in the shop and they seem very dry. i always pop some grease in there when they come in for service, but run the vac for 5 or 10min after to ensure it doesn't melt and drip on the carpet.
Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: beko1987 on August 08, 2017, 08:46:33 pm
So I had this back tonight.

Wheels swapped over, lesson learnt there!

But, 'it doesn't work well on carpets'... I gave it a go, and the brushroll wouldn't work, and the led's flashed at me in unison... Popped the hood off and the motor to cogs belt had snapped.

Immediatly remembering my attempt to dismantle them, and that I've probably broken the assembly, I swapped the good part off my x4. Job done, it works very well again!

Will splazz some grease on the end bearing tomorrow!

My x4 now hangs in the balance of parts costs vs spares worth... It needs:
Brushroll
Service box
Upholstry tool
Wand
Belt cogs
Belt
Wheels

And its not too mint either. I'll ignore that for now and see what comes up!

The customer is (or will be when she collects it) happy, which is the main thing!
Title: Re: 1997 Sebo Automatic X1 - Stripdown and Refurbishment
Post by: panasonicvac on October 25, 2022, 12:59:03 am
I have two Sears Kenmore Professional 12 uprights and one of them I could not figure out of taking apart the bag chamber completely. Hopefully this would be useful when I service my other one.