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Dyson Models => Cylinder & Canister Dysons => Topic started by: beko1987 on November 07, 2016, 09:39:03 pm
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A fair old while ago now, in a box of assorted stuff, I got a DC11 to refurbish, with payment in another DC11 to keep and sell (which I still haven't done yet...). This didn't go 100% brilliantly, and the DC11 is a fickle thing to strip and put back together (and I'm not a massive fan of them :-X), but here we go!
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I started work before I even got home, and peeled off the ruined bin catch sticker, as it drew less attention not being there at all than looking tatty
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Then, a few days later, got cracking. Looking back at the pictures I was in the garden in my pajamas's, god I miss the hot weather, my car's frosted over already!
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The pre motor filter was a bit peaky
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and the cage was filthy
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Let's have a look at the post motor filter, it sits under this here clip
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Mmmm, not too bad
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mmmmm :o
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I forgot to mention, this is an ex motor, it has ceased to be... :dead-dyson:
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Anyway, washing machine on for the filter (and others), it's time to move on. This is all I was sent
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So let's start with the turbo head. This whole color machine is as rare as unicorn bum fluff, so no pressure... :snivel:
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And already there is some damage/sign of use. How the heck did it do this?
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The other side isn't so bad
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Baseplate off
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Looks like a build up of something over the years
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Baseplate seals out
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and the squeegee bit out of the other side
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Aaand our adsl goes again... Been having issues all weekend with it (the whole of thame, not just us)... Might have to pause this and resume when I trust it to work for more than an hour. Sorry folks!
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Judging by the amount of Openreach vans on our estate today, and that the DSL has been up all day, something must be fixed, so let's see how far we get tonight!
The baseplate wheels pop off
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The brushrolls twist off the axles
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Undoing all the visible screws on the top splits the head a bit
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and the turbine assembly drops out of the clear part
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The brushroll driveshafts were suitably plugged up with hair
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and sadly there was some damage to the airflow stop thing
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Very carefully so as not to damage it even more, it pops out, bringing the filthy seal with it
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Even more carefully as this bit is very soft, so gentle prying all around until it lets go lever the other side off
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Under the plastic cap sits another plastic cap. More gently prying of the bit here until it gives way and lifts
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This allows removal and inspection of the turbine and inner bearings
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More seals are sitting in the main part of the head
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To split the wand part, one side of the pivot pops out, allowing separation of the two parts
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The baseplate locking tab slides off
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The little rear wheel pops out
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and the latch disassembles by popping the cover up
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Turbo head done!
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Onto the main show now
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The cyclone is removed for later
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The post motor filter cover/suction channel is removed again
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and the two bin seals pulled off
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The rear wheels prise off
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and undoing all the visible top screws (one hides inside a tool clip) the hose holder and tool holder lift away
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I'd advise against removing the tool clips, they are fragile, and I had to replace one as I broke it... (luckily they are still available fairly easily)
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I was puzzled by this bit of clear plastic that doesn't seem removable, but seems to serve no purpose (there's no light under it etc)
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The metal reinforcement clips don't seem to easily come off either, so they were left
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This flap here is what the cord runs against when pulled out, to save damage to the main machine. The screw has a washer underneath it
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Removed
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With all that off, the main housing screws can be removed, and the thing split apart
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I presume this pipe is some sort of suction relief thing, but I'm not sure as there is a release valve. All the cylinder Dysons have this part, any idea?
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The front furniture guard pops off now
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The post motor filter surround pops out too
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The pedals are removed by flicking the front pivot up and out of it's clip
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Here is the release valve, removal is assisted by poking a screwdriver into the back of it and pushing
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Last layer now!
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Wiring removed
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and the cord rewind lifts out. Nothing was done to this bar a good dusting, as it works fine.
To remove the motor housing, a screw at the bottom of the post motor filter housing needs to come out
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The post motor filter housing pulls out of the motor housing seal
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The motor housing rubber pulls out
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and the wiring released from the clips, which removes the switch and live link wire too
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Flick a few tabs up and the motor can be seen
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The top part of the housing is lined with a big fancase seal
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A massive locating rubber sits at the other side of the motor to locate it in the housing
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Since we need to change this motor we need to remove the wires, if the motor is fine you don't need to do this though
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This shows the state of the motor, the carbon brushes are breaking up, it sort of ran, but rumbled, popped and stank, so it wouldn't have been many more minutes before it died completely
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It then got slung in the bin.
One of the reasons I don't like the DC11 is it tips up in use. I'm 6ft2, but even if I wasn't, by the time the wand is fully extended, the hose is so short that the machine tips up frequently. And this was either built in by design, or there was an 'oh crap' moment just after design sign-off, capex budget sign-off and management buy in, as a little wheel has been fitted to the rear to compensate for this...
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Better late than never, here is the ratings plate
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The front wheel pops off, but the grey pivoting housing does not
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It's getting dark now (8.38pm this picture was taken, it's almost dark when I get home on an early at 4.40pm now :( )
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Onto the bit I hate now, the cyclone
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Take the bin off
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The bottom flaps pop off the bin with 2 tabs
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The DC11 bin assembly is worked with a convoluted series of levers and springs, and first off is the bottom plate that holds the release rod against the bin. A very careful pry and flick releases it
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and after that it just pulls off
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Behind this sits the clip that holds the flap up, and a spring
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With that out of the way, the release rod slides up and pulls out from it's channel on the bin
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The coloured outer base of the bottom flap pops off the inner clear part
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the one part seal pulls off
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Onto the more fiddly part now
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First off is the very tip top release lever and cover
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With the cover/parking slot removed, the red button lifts out, retrieve it's spring
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Next out is the bin release button, a gently flick pops it up
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With the bin release button out, the 3rd screw to remove the top handle becomes visible. You know what to do...
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With the top handle removed, we can remove all the screws that hold the cyclone together. 2 are hidden under the handle
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Before we go pull it all apart, we need to note how the various levers work. To release the bin from the cyclone, this rod here
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is pushed forward when the bin release (not the flap release) button is pushed, which moves it's clamp out, so the bin can be pivoted out and removed. It is a git...
Very gently pull the cyclone halves apart
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They are part held in with a peg either side, so need to be maneuvered around that
However the cones will be held together still with another figure of 8 seal, so remove that
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This shows how the rods and springs sit
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The rear rod sits inside the main button like so, with a spring under my thumb
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Once removed, we have this
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This is the rod that runs from the top, under the green release button, to push down, which pushes the horizontal rod forward to release the catch (I think...)
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Confusing innit! :boggleeye:
Not too bad under the cover though
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nor at the rear
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Onto the cones and shrouds now
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x2 covers and seal sets come off
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This is the plastic peg that will help you swear whilst re-assembling it, one per side
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With lots of VERY careful screwdrivering the shroud pops off the cone
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and with even more careful levering the lower cone comes off the upper part
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Which splits it into it's 3 parts. Then turn around, sigh and see the other one sat there, laughing at you...
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All done! Wash up, dry, polish the heck out of it, then time to do the usual!
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The lower cone snaps onto the main part
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BUT, whilst refitting the first shroud, disaster
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:censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:
Second one went on ok
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Dejected, I moved onto the turbo tool, and sadly there is some blooming on the plastic that would not polish out no matter what I tried
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Clip back on
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Rear wheel fitted
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The baseplate securing clip slides on
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Then the internal hose pushes on
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then the wand part clips on
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Refit the turbine housing seal and the other seals
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Onto the turbine casing now, refit the belt, turbine and cover to the housing
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Cut off all the hair around the axles, and pop the solid side of the turbine back on
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Then on the other side fit the seal and suction killer button
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Fit and screw down the top clear cover
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Pop the brushrolls on, then fit the baseplate
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Pop the front wheels and squeegee strip (I forgot, and did it much later but forgot to take a picture. It's fairly easy to spot you have not done it as it'll be laughing at you from the floor)
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Done!
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Onto the main machine now, and start with the exciting part, and fit the small rear wheel to the bottom housing
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and the front wheel
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Now of course Stuart knew the motor was :dead-dyson: in this, so handily he sent a working one in the box! (standard DC05/08/19 motor incase of need)
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Not spotless, but the comm was not death black, and the carbons were not chipped, and since this machine is going to enter retirement, and only come out on high days and holidays, it won't need to run many hours anymore.
Pop the bottom rubber on
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and fit the motor to the housing, slotting the cable grommit (damn, where's my grommit picture?) Aha...
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Them fit the fancase seal to the top of the housing and clip/screw it all down!
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Fit the seal for the post motor filter housing to the motor housing
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Get the live cables run and the switch fitted (sorry for the focus)
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Fit the motor housing rubber
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and drop the lot home and screw it down
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Pop the cord rewind in and connect it up
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Moving up to the next layer, release valve in
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Fit the switch plates and springs to make it look like it has wings
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reminds me of Wooldoor Sockbat
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The post filter surround clips in now
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Clip the bumper on
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Put the stupid random pipe back in (because if you don't, you can bet some money it'll make itself known to be important...)
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Then, screw the top housing down onto the lower housing
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At this juncture, check the cord rewind works, that the motor works and the switch etc, as it's easier to pop it apart now to fix it...
Pop the hose holder on
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Then the tool holder, there's the hidden screw
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With all screws done up, pop the wheels on
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Grab the filter cover and pop the seals back on
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Fit your post motor filter now (I wasn't sent one so I can't show you that), then fit the cover
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I tried to glue the shattered shroud together, but it looked crap, so Stuart got his little black book out, and amazingly (because this colour machine is quite rare it seems), a second hand cyclone unit was delivered! (after these pictures were taken though, I wanted it back together so as not to loose anything, so if you see a broken shroud, just imagine a lovely non broken one, and if you need cyclone bits in this colour, holla at Mvacs as they have spares I believe...
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Re-assemble the cyclone cones, and fit the bottom rubbers
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Fit the locating pegs/screw holes
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x2 seals
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x2 covers
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Now this is as fiddly as it looks. Fit one cyclone to the top part (which won't sit level, have fun with that, I used the TV remote under one side to level it out)
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Fit the pegs and springs
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Be very careful that you re-assemble it correctly, I tested it and it all worked, but I was informed that the mvacs tech had to spend 40 minutes stripping it all back down to do it properly, as something was missing/misaligned, so it was too stiff. Sorry about that :grinn:
Then, with 3 hands, fit the figure of 8 seal to one side, then place the second cyclone through the seal and fit the seal, then, using the rubber to it's full advantage, whilst not knocking the rods everywhere, but having to twist them about a bit to clear the locating peg, fit the second cyclone
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and breathe
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Make sure the seal is flat in the slot, and screw it all down before you drop it and teach the children the C word
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Much cleaner (2 screws in here too, these are the annoying pegs)
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Fit the cyclone handle
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and fit the release button
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and the parking bracket
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Next, rubber up the bottom flap
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then pop the colour trim on
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Slide the release rod into its slot on the bin
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Then fit the spring, clip and retaining clip all at once
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Push the outer clip fully up and home
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Clip the flap onto the bin
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Fit the bin to the cyclone
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Grab your nice washed pre motor filter (which I forgot to photograph) and fit that, then fit the cyclone to the machine
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Give everything a final polish, then 2 coats of wax, then admire!
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There we go! Sorry I buggared it up a bit Stu, I hope it came up how you expected it to! I have no idea where it is now, probably lobbed in a cupboard somewhere.
I won't rush to do another 11 (he says, I have one in the shed that needs doing and sold, will get that done then no more!)
Unless a certain someone happens upon a Digital Motor DC11 (A certain member will know what I am on about as he showed me a picture of one's existence back in the day this afternoon!
Bed time now, bored of the US Election and I have work tomorrow!
Thanks for reading (if you did indeed read it, otherwise I hope the pictures were nice enough!)
Sam
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It now resides in our museum. :-*
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJ2gjilAu9V/
Yes, we did rebuild the cyclone again, but they are a pig to do and it wasn't a big deal.
The other day I came by a new bin flap for this, so that is on it as well now. BB Dyson helped out with a new crevice tool in the right colour, so its now looking pretty spiffy with a full set of tools.
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Excellent! I didn't appreciate how rare this colour is now until we needed to get the shroud for it, I had a few over the years and binned the first one after an abortive stripdown and gave the other away!
Can you remember what was wrong with the release mech then? A incase other people try to follow this to repair, and B so I don't make the same mistake in the future (yes, I do follow my own refurb guides when needed!)
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Can you remember what was wrong with the release mech then? A incase other people try to follow this to repair, and B so I don't make the same mistake in the future (yes, I do follow my own refurb guides when needed!)
It was a seal, clip and/or spring on the release mech that was in back to front making the release inop. I cant be more specific as I didnt do it and the bloke who did has slept since then. ;D
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Oh that DC11 cyclone was a right faff! I'm never ever stripping one of those cyclones down ever again. Hopefully my DC50 cyclone I need to refurb will be a lot nicer!
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Always reminded me of an astronauts air pack :chuckle:
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Always reminded me of an astronauts air pack :chuckle:
Now that you mention it, it kind of does! :))
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I use the three butter knife trick to pop off the shrouds, also works on the dc25 8)
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This machine is currently on an eBay auction and can be found >>here<< (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325057924292).