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Other Vacuum Cleaners & Site Suggestions => Discussion About Other Vacuum Cleaners & Appliances => Topic started by: Parwaz7862 on January 25, 2017, 01:44:16 am
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I love upright vacuums personally. They are also the most popular type of vacuum in the UK and the USA I believe, but I have a lot of customers though saying "oh do you have any cylinders? I don't like uprights" etc; even though the majority of people do tend to go for uprights.
I don't get why people like cylinders? What's so special about them? They are a pain to store, are cumbersome, bulky, you need two hands to carry them, you can get lightweight uprights and uprights have everything on board, are less convenient on stairs then uprights, they can't clean as well as uprights and the list goes on!
Is it because Henry vacuums are given such a reputation of being fantastic machines that people think if a vacuum is a cylinder (which is what Numatics are) it should be good?
I'm not really a cylinder fan TBH... I think they may be out of fashion soon...or will they get more popular??
Uprights rule IMHO.
What are your opinions?
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Broadly speaking, the further north you go the less people like cylinders. And vice versa.
Cylinders are a hard sell in our shop, but put them online and they sell to the south.
They are more popular overseas. Mainland europe likes cylinders (look at the large Sebo range of cylinders aimed at that market).
Of the cylinders we sell in the shop, I would say most go to people not born in the UK and/or not culturally British. Most Brits want uprights.
We probably sell 1 cylinder to every 50-100 uprights.
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Aah makes sense now, being in the Midlands it's a bit of a mix between uprights and cylinders, sort of
1 cylinder to every 50-100 uprights? Wow, probably explains why I see more Dyson uprights on eBay in Lancashire and Yorkshire than most other parts of the UK
I'm slowly converting people to choose uprights, I changed my next door neighbour's preferences. They used to use tub VAxes all the time and now they own a DC33
Other next door neighbour wants a Dyson upright (they have a Henry)
After my Henry owner Auntie used my DC41 she said she'd get one when she buys a new house, one of my cousins bought a DC50 after being loyal to Henry for years, etc :king:
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Uprights can be a pain to manoeuvrer, the floor head of a cylinder is much easier, however the pipe and unwieldy motor unit can be just as much of a pain, putting an upright away in a cupboard is easy a cylinder is like fighting with an octopus, but if you don't have a tall cupboard an upright is a pain to store, so swings and roundabouts.
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if you don't have a tall cupboard an upright is a pain to store, so swings and roundabouts.
If you have a Sebo upright, it can be stored under the bed if short of space. :whist11:
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I see where you're coming from, Ian- but I find uprights quite easy to manoeuvre
I just don't see the necessity in cylinders or just the point of them- an upright is literally right in front of you, I personally feel more in control of an upright vac than with a cylinder with a floppy hose, I spend a lot of time tugging the hose and constantly dragging the machine towards me because we have a large living room and long hallway etc. One moment you're moving forward to clean further and suddenly you feel a tug because of the big heavy motor unit sitting there (connected to the wand with the hose) so you have to tug again :'(
Furthermore when people sell cylinder vacuums used a majority of the time they are missing floortools :/ such a pet peeve. With uprights that isn't a problem :))
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if you don't have a tall cupboard an upright is a pain to store, so swings and roundabouts.
If you have a Sebo upright, it can be stored under the bed if short of space. :whist11:
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Same with a DC03 and they can be hung on the wall or behind a door
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I will say a cylinder is much easier to use if you are cleaning round or under furniture, but then the motor unit gets stuck on the same furniture, also a lot of uprights wont go under furniture but a cylinder head will. Small places with an upright don't work. As far as performance goes, well our dc05 motorhead was fantastic, also meant you don't have to mess about with turbo heads and none stretchy hoses to do the stairs.
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Uprights are more popular here in texas. But back in australia you will hardly see an upright.
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I always thought Australia had a bit of a mix between both like the UK
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Up North from all you in Scotland I find that uprights are more popular but people do give glory to Henry as up here he has a great reputation. I think that with the EU labels, customers look at them and see that uprights often beat cylinders on carpets so because carpets are fairly popular, uprights are popular choice.
Don't have the knack of writing these things do I?
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Up North from all you in Scotland I find that uprights are more popular
There are still gazillions of DC01s up in Scotland. I think the Scottish Electric Board sold them I recall reading.
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Up North from all you in Scotland I find that uprights are more popular
There are still gazillions of DC01s up in Scotland. I think the Scottish Electric Board sold them I recall reading.
That sentence relieved me. It's nice to hear DC01s are still used by many!
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I see loads of dc01 standards in garages and sheds etc
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Blimey
Hardly many around here
You do still see DC04's onwards in Birmingham tho
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I believe I've mentioned my stance on this before and possibly debated with you Parwaz (I seem to recall doing), and you make several valid points. Here most large stores don't sell cylinders at all. Most people seem to dislike them, they assume most of the things Parwaz has said (cumbersome, bulky, not as powerful, etc.).
I can completely understand why uprights are so popular. They are very convenient for quick runs through the house, getting up all the easily seen dirt and then quickly stored away. Back when my/my parent's home had more carpets it was usually easier to clean daily with an upright. Back then cleaning under furniture really didn't need to be done too often, and when I did I would almost always use a cylinder.
However since removing most of the fitted carpets in the house my perspective has changed quite a bit. You see with 2 dogs and a cat cleaning under furniture is something that must happen almost daily. With few rugs and fitted carpets around to catch pet hair, a large portion of it congregates under every piece of furniture it can.
Honestly, an upright is hardly ideal for this. For starters, when is the last time you cleaned under a somewhat low piece of furniture with your dyson dc41? Or under beds for that matter. Now as MVacs rightly pointed out there are some very low upright vacuums, I had an X series Sebo for a number of years in fact. Sadly though no upright is low enough to clean under some of our furniture, you would have to use the hose.
This brings me to my next point, hose convenience. Now the obvious solution when using, say, my dc40 is to stick a flat-out tool on the end of the wand to get under furniture. I've done this a few times now, and here is my routine: Haul out the dc40 and the flat-out tool, begin cleaning with the upright. When I come to the first bit of furniture I stop, walk over to wherever I put the flat-out tool, grab it, pull out the wand on the dc40, attach the tool, get on my knees and clean up all the bits with the wand all while the stretch hose won't allow the dyson to be more than 5 inches from me at any given time (thanks to the "suck-back" action of the hose). So after I'm done letting the dc40 hit me repeatedly I have to put the wand back on (which with the dc40 can be fiddly) and set the flat-out tool somewhere. I do this for every single piece of furniture. (okay rant over)
Multiply by 20 and I hope you can understand why an upright gets very annoying to use very quickly. A cylinder requires much less effort and takes less time in my case. And the dc40 is one of the few uprights I can tolerate to use on hard floors anyway, yet it is STILL frustrating in comparison. Furthermore I find stretch hoses to be annoying for above floor cleaning, and most uprights lack suction control. For these reasons I also much prefer cylinders for above the floor cleaning.
they can't clean as well as uprights and the list goes on!
In the U.S at least this hasn't really been true since the 1970's. Cylinders here have historically had bigger motors (more airflow and suction) and have been sold with very good power nozzles. I can't count the number of cylinders I have used that clean carpets at least as well as the average upright.
Either way I can see your point Parwaz, but I hope you understand how an upright just doesn't work in my home.
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Good points :icon_nod: I understand now that a canister is better off for your home than an upright.
For me, the same applies for car cleaning (sort of) when trying to reach in an awkward part of a car, such as underneath the seats down the sidesa stretch hose can pull back, cylinder hoses are nice and loose :)
If the canister vacs work good for you that's awesome! We actually have sofas where there's only an inch of a gap underneath so dust and all sorts can get there, we'd have to move the furniture to clean under it
American canister vacs are cool, a lot of them have motorised heads which is rare here, the best we normally get is a turbo brush alongside the typical straight suction heads :/
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I dont mind using either. Just pick whatever machine i feel like cleaning with that day. They both have good and bad points but everything in life does.
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I dont mind using either. Just pick whatever machine i feel like cleaning with that day. They both have good and bad points but everything in life does.
Very true, all vacuums have their flaws I guess due to being produced by humans
We're using our DC41 as our daily driver for the next 4 years till the guarantee expires, so I'm hardly gonna use anything else now I don't think lol
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I certainly still use uprights, and in proper "lazy American" fashion I will just ignore the dust under furniture for a few days :)) Of course doing this isn't really proper cleaning.....
I actually prefer uprights for the carpets we do still have, and straight suction cylinders for the hard floors (lighter hose and tube).
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Haha we moved the sofas yesterday and there was a lot of dust clumps (tile flooring)
I've been using a Kirby G6 as a daily for a while, we have large living rooms and it's still awkward to manoeuvre, when trying to turn the cleaner head tilts over at an angle if I do a 90 degreeish turn lol :/