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Dyson Advice => Looking after your Dyson => Topic started by: Parwaz7862 on March 30, 2015, 01:27:20 am
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Due to changes in the industry, our DC04, DC07, DC14, DC27 and DC33 motors (https://manchestervacs.co.uk/Dyson/dyson-motor-ydk-yv-dc04-dc07-dc14-dc27-dc33) now have three buying options:-
Budget: These are what the suppliers call 'made to a price'. These are made to serve the bulk market where people buy on price only (eBay and Amazon for example). I am not terribly fond of them, but some people want cheap.
Premium: These are the super quality motors we have always used and sold that are made in the USA. As the pound is poor against the dollar at the moment, the price of these has risen a little of late. These are the ones we recommend. These are the ones we use on our own machines.
Genuine: While we are adding options, we decided to add genuine in there as well. For those that prefer a genuine part that comes in a Dyson box, we have now made the most popular YV2200 motor available from that page too.
It is normally impossible to judge the quality of what you are going to buy online when buying a motor for your Dyson (because you don't know what the seller will send you), and buying on price alone can be a false economy as this article suggests: Cheap Dyson Motors - 150 Reasons Not To Buy One (http://dysonmedic.co.uk/cheap-replacement-dyson-motor/). So we have decided to completely demystify it by offering three variants with honest descriptions. We think it better the end user can make an informed choice when buying a Dyson motor. We expect other sellers will follow our example.
Which types of motors are the most powerful, and which is the longest lasting?
I have a DC14 Origin fitted with a YDK motor and a DC14 Animal with the same looking motor. They are both, however different. One of them is lower pitched like a DC04 and the much louder one in my DC14 Origin has more suction. Both Dysons have had blown motors in the past and now have replacement ones.
I found motors on eBay for like £15-£25 brand new from people such as "Dysondoctor" etc. Would you recommend these? I last bought one of these in 2009 for a DC07. Not sure if anything has changed since then though.
Thanks
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Kenley motors don't have a bad reputation, or the Q know who MTR240 is more trusted than the MTR299...
Ive fitted a 1600w ebay special before though and have had no issues. Got lucky though possibly...
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which is the longest lasting?
Genuine ones are the longest lasting.
Most of the stuff on eBay is made to a price so the sellers can compete with each other.
I found motors on eBay for like £15-£25 brand new from people such as "Dysondoctor" etc. Would you recommend these? I last bought one of these in 2009 for a DC07. Not sure if anything has changed since then though.
Thanks
The original Dyson Doctor on eBay is no longer with us and his account is inactive. He used to sell motors of the type with no external TOC that we wont keep. Since then, someone else has been trying to steal his name on eBay, so caveat emptor.
The thing about anything you buy on eBay is that there is 13% off the top for selling fees. Take a cheap motor, knock off 13% fees, £3-£4 to post it, some VAT, some profit and what are you left with as a cost price? Not much.
Like anything, you can have cheap or good, and you must choose which.
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Thanks, I had the type MTR240 motor with TOc, from the original Dyson Doctor, now there is Dyson doctor UK or something
I am still curious as to why my DC14 Animal has a different sounding motor to the Origin.
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All after market motors are 1600w so will sound different from original Dyson motor's.
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Cool, so I assume my DC14 Origin (the louder motor) has more suction slightly aswell and cleans better, so must be the 1600w one.
My DC14 animal does have the original genuine motor from a DC14 Allergy (early model) I got a year or two ago which was working healthy, but was in an awful physical state with one broken part (the cleaner head lock thing). The motor sounds a bit like a DC01 YDK, or a DC04 sort of, with a low pitch
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which is the longest lasting?
Genuine ones are the longest lasting.
Most of the stuff on eBay is made to a price so the sellers can compete with each other.
I found motors on eBay for like £15-£25 brand new from people such as "Dysondoctor" etc. Would you recommend these? I last bought one of these in 2009 for a DC07. Not sure if anything has changed since then though.
Thanks
The original Dyson Doctor on eBay is no longer with us and his account is inactive. He used to sell motors of the type with no external TOC that we wont keep. Since then, someone else has been trying to steal his name on eBay, so caveat emptor.
The thing about anything you buy on eBay is that there is 13% off the top for selling fees. Take a cheap motor, knock off 13% fees, £3-£4 to post it, some VAT, some profit and what are you left with as a cost price? Not much.
Like anything, you can have cheap or good, and you must choose which.
The original Dyson Doctor you refer to was based on the Isle of Wight. The Dyson Doctor UK you mentioned is actually part of LM Electrical who have been on eBay for quite a long time. I also think that both Dyson Doctor UK and LM Electrical are in some way connected with Quаltex as I ordered something from Dyson Doctor UK and on the Invoice the return Address is Denton, Manchester. Isnt that where Quаltex are based?
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The original Dyson Doctor you refer to was based on the Isle of Wight.
He was. Malc he was called. He was a nice chap. We used to chat sometimes on the horn. He used to help us out with deals and stuff in the early days.
The Dyson Doctor UK you mentioned is actually part of LM Electrical who have been on eBay for quite a long time. I also think that both Dyson Doctor UK and LM Electrical are in some way connected with Qtex as I ordered something from Dyson Doctor UK and on the Invoice the return Address is Denton, Manchester. Isnt that where Qtex are based?
Yes, LM and several others are all Qtex.
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In my experience YDK has always been our favourite to fit.
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We have a few of the genuine heavy duty DC04 Constant Max motors left, YV-511 02 on our site. At £39 delivered, they are excellent value I think and will last years, and fit any DC04 with a YDK.
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Would love one! Are they brand new? Also is the suction the same as a Dc07 motor? I know they look similar with a larger fan liunlike a standard 04 but have a lower wattage :/
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Would love one! Are they brand new?
Yes, I think we have maybe 25 left. I had them in a deal recently.
Also is the suction the same as a Dc07 motor? I know they look similar with a larger fan liunlike a standard 04 but have a lower wattage :/
Well, here is a thing, the DC04 motor people say is bobbins fitted in a 7/14/33. We mis-diagnosed a DC33 machine recently (nobody is perfect) as just a service when actually the motor was on its last legs. As we had committed ourselves to a £35 service, I didn't want to send it out knowing it would blow up next week. We didn't have a good used YV2200 handy, so we tried a good used YV-511 (02) Constant Max variant in it just to see how it was. As it goes, it sounded and performed well, and the woman trundled off not knowing we had swallowed a replacement motor as part of a service. The customer did well, us not hearing a light bubbling motor initially meant she had a machine that should have had a motor job, but she got off with just a service charge. For us, it tells us that a Max motor is OK in later models.
The bloke who diagnosed it wrong got a kick up the arse. But it doesn't happen often.
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Easy done, quite sneaky at times those motors :D
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Wow, well you learn something new everyday :icon_nod:
I presume they sound like a Dc33 fitted into a DC33 then :)
As you might know that my DC33 has a new motor with a shallower fan and fan rubber like the weird motors you have (they surprisingly fit and are being supplied by Dyson) and it's all good, no difference between this motor and a YV2200 DC14 motor except that it sounds quieter like a Dc41.
I appreciate that it's quieter (this weird new motor) but it doesn't seem original sounding like a DC41 :/
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Speaking of motors, I finally got round to getting my DC07 a new motor
It said MTR299 in the box somewhere IIRC (last week) And the suction is great, sounds a little fake though and when you turn it off, the motor is literally dead in silence after about 2 and a half second whereas a genuine Dyson motor takes about 5 seconds. They gave me contact details so if it does blow up (I have no idea how long it will last) then I will tell them that it blew up and its not even a year old.
PS :off_topic: Is it me or do the lime green and grey Dc04 motors seem indestructible? They are tanks, I rarely ever see them burnt out yet I have seen clutched YDK DC04s with burnt out motors, would be interesting to see the lifespan of a brand new constant max motor vs a brand new Ametek DC04 lime motor, think that would be interesting
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No, I've had an Amtex explode in a dc04
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Think I remember that, the armature broke didn't it?
It was probably a lemon lol
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Wow, well you learn something new everyday :icon_nod:
Every day is a school day as they say.
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Never had a ydk do that.
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My DC14 motor exploded, it was YDK and a late model (The dark body and white cyclone type with red switch and wand collar)
Some metal bits were under the post filter, lots in the housing and some of the plastic had melted in the housing
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Easy done, quite sneaky at times those motors :D
Yep, I won't buy a DC24 for anything over a tenner without hearing it run, and when I quoted one for a service recently, I took the post filter out, turned it on and nearly blinded myself. The owner looked shocked, that was a very easy way to sell in a new motor too.
Sniffing/looking at the post filter, especially an 04/7/14 is an easy way too, smelling it can work sometimes. Again, I always pop the cover off (screwdriver kept in the car) infront of the owner to prove the point.
I had to swallow a baseplate on a dc07 once, didn't turn it over, just sold in a refurb. Got home, turned it over and half the bloody baseplate was missing Bought the cheapest one I could off ebay (non clutched) and it was an arse to fit. Worked fine though, and only cost me £7, but again, quick look underneath with the owner
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We have a few of the genuine heavy duty DC04 Constant Max motors left, YV-511 02 on our site. At £39 delivered, they are excellent value I think and will last years, and fit any DC04 with a YDK.
So whats the difference between a YV511 and a 2200? I've got some YV511 sat here that I have taken out of some DC04's, can I put these in a DC07 or DC14 and get the same suction?
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I've shoved loads of 511's into DC07's having been tested in a DC04 tilted back so the brush bar is engages for 15 minutes (putting the motor under load) and had no come backs.
With DC14's, if the motor is serviceable after being tested in the same way, I pull it and stick it in a DC07 and fit a Qtex MTR240 into the DC14. That way I can justify asking more for the DC14.
Funnily enough, I had a young lady call me today saying she could hardly push the DC14 I sold her yesterday. I explained it was due to the new, more powerful motor being used on good thick carpets. HOWEVER, she asked if she could bring it back and pay extra for a DC33 as it looked lighter. My DC33's also have MTR 240's fitted so we may have the same problem! If so I'll remove the seals from the head to reduce suction.
That was a tip from Stuart at Mvacs - TA!
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I once has a really powerful DC14 origin and when I sold it I took out the soleplate seals and kept them for myself ;D
I tried my neighbour's DC33 on my thick bedroom carpet and it couldn't be pushed. It's because of the large debris channel bumper lip thing it somehow manages to dig into the carpet and make ther vacuum hard to push so something like a DCXX origin is easier to push
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Speaking of motors, I finally got round to getting my DC07 a new motor
It said MTR299 in the box somewhere IIRC (last week) And the suction is great, sounds a little fake though and when you turn it off, the motor is literally dead in silence after about 2 and a half second whereas a genuine Dyson motor takes about 5 seconds. They gave me contact details so if it does blow up (I have no idea how long it will last) then I will tell them that it blew up and its not even a year old.
PS :off_topic: Is it me or do the lime green and grey Dc04 motors seem indestructible? They are tanks, I rarely ever see them burnt out yet I have seen clutched YDK DC04s with burnt out motors, would be interesting to see the lifespan of a brand new constant max motor vs a brand new Ametek DC04 lime motor, think that would be interesting
Ive had 4 YDK blow up on me and 0 Ametek blow up, All the Ameteks ive had have worked for many, many many years, The only YDK dyson I have that hasn't seen a motor change is my 4 month old DC04 I boought from Dyson Revivers for £45 fully refurbed, they did a 3 point check when I had it and changed the nice orignal power cord for a grey one, 1 month of having it i'd dropped a Purple Chassis on it and emaild man vacs for a purple and green power cord, got the power cord on it the second I got a knock knock on the door, it was the cord packed nicely inside a cardboard box, do belive the box was for a motor because it has YV-XXXX written on the side of the box, cant rememver if it was 511 or 2200 though': I had fitted it and tested it within 10
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Speaking of motors, I finally got round to getting my DC07 a new motor
It said MTR299 in the box somewhere IIRC (last week) And the suction is great, sounds a little fake though and when you turn it off, the motor is literally dead in silence after about 2 and a half second whereas a genuine Dyson motor takes about 5 seconds. They gave me contact details so if it does blow up (I have no idea how long it will last) then I will tell them that it blew up and its not even a year old.
PS :off_topic: Is it me or do the lime green and grey Dc04 motors seem indestructible? They are tanks, I rarely ever see them burnt out yet I have seen clutched YDK DC04s with burnt out motors, would be interesting to see the lifespan of a brand new constant max motor vs a brand new Ametek DC04 lime motor, think that would be interesting
Ive had 4 YDK blow up on me and 0 Ametek blow up, All the Ameteks ive had have worked for many, many many years, The only YDK dyson I have that hasn't seen a motor change is my 4 month old DC04 I boought from Dyson Revivers for £45 fully refurbed, they did a 3 point check when I had it and changed the nice orignal power cord for a grey one, 1 month of having it i'd dropped a Purple Chassis on it and emaild man vacs for a purple and green power cord, got the power cord on it the second I got a knock knock on the door, it was the cord packed nicely inside a cardboard box, do belive the box was for a motor because it has YV-XXXX written on the side of the box, cant rememver if it was 511 or 2200 though': I had fitted it and tested it within 10
I've only come across one burnt out DC25 and they use panasonic motors
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Speaking of motors, I finally got round to getting my DC07 a new motor
It said MTR299 in the box somewhere IIRC (last week) And the suction is great, sounds a little fake though and when you turn it off, the motor is literally dead in silence after about 2 and a half second whereas a genuine Dyson motor takes about 5 seconds. They gave me contact details so if it does blow up (I have no idea how long it will last) then I will tell them that it blew up and its not even a year old.
PS :off_topic: Is it me or do the lime green and grey Dc04 motors seem indestructible? They are tanks, I rarely ever see them burnt out yet I have seen clutched YDK DC04s with burnt out motors, would be interesting to see the lifespan of a brand new constant max motor vs a brand new Ametek DC04 lime motor, think that would be interesting
Ive had 4 YDK blow up on me and 0 Ametek blow up, All the Ameteks ive had have worked for many, many many years, The only YDK dyson I have that hasn't seen a motor change is my 4 month old DC04 I boought from Dyson Revivers for £45 fully refurbed, they did a 3 point check when I had it and changed the nice orignal power cord for a grey one, 1 month of having it i'd dropped a Purple Chassis on it and emaild man vacs for a purple and green power cord, got the power cord on it the second I got a knock knock on the door, it was the cord packed nicely inside a cardboard box, do belive the box was for a motor because it has YV-XXXX written on the side of the box, cant rememver if it was 511 or 2200 though': I had fitted it and tested it within 10
I've only come across one burnt out DC25 and they use panasonic motors
Think my dad's dc07 was a pansonic, It said on the side of thehousing, YDK PANASONIC.
Not anymore though, its now got a YV-511 i it,doesnt sound as powerful yet its got tones of suction, its pratically silent, loads of suction but doesnt make the 'Hoovering' sound when you hoover
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Speaking of motors, I finally got round to getting my DC07 a new motor
It said MTR299 in the box somewhere IIRC (last week) And the suction is great, sounds a little fake though and when you turn it off, the motor is literally dead in silence after about 2 and a half second whereas a genuine Dyson motor takes about 5 seconds. They gave me contact details so if it does blow up (I have no idea how long it will last) then I will tell them that it blew up and its not even a year old.
PS :off_topic: Is it me or do the lime green and grey Dc04 motors seem indestructible? They are tanks, I rarely ever see them burnt out yet I have seen clutched YDK DC04s with burnt out motors, would be interesting to see the lifespan of a brand new constant max motor vs a brand new Ametek DC04 lime motor, think that would be interesting
Ive had 4 YDK blow up on me and 0 Ametek blow up, All the Ameteks ive had have worked for many, many many years, The only YDK dyson I have that hasn't seen a motor change is my 4 month old DC04 I boought from Dyson Revivers for £45 fully refurbed, they did a 3 point check when I had it and changed the nice orignal power cord for a grey one, 1 month of having it i'd dropped a Purple Chassis on it and emaild man vacs for a purple and green power cord, got the power cord on it the second I got a knock knock on the door, it was the cord packed nicely inside a cardboard box, do belive the box was for a motor because it has YV-XXXX written on the side of the box, cant rememver if it was 511 or 2200 though': I had fitted it and tested it within 10
I've only come across one burnt out DC25 and they use panasonic motors
Think my dad's dc07 was a pansonic, It said on the side of thehousing, YDK PANASONIC.
Not anymore though, its now got a YV-511 i it,doesnt sound as powerful yet its got tones of suction, its pratically silent, loads of suction but doesnt make the 'Hoovering' sound when you hoover
Quite silent in a diffrent room
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Resurrecting the dead here, but my 14 is going on 8 or 9 years at this point so I know a new motor is on the horizon. I would rather pay a premium to get the most powerful motor available. How can I identify these (besides the higher price)? I'm assuming that flat stated wattage isn't enough, either.
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Resurrecting the dead here, but my 14 is going on 8 or 9 years at this point so I know a new motor is on the horizon. I would rather pay a premium to get the most powerful motor available. How can I identify these (besides the higher price)? I'm assuming that flat stated wattage isn't enough, either.
never used aftermarket: but the MTR-299 sounds like a good motor from reviews.
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You have got to be kidding me. the MTR 299 is possibly one of the worsted after market motors out there. The MTR 240KK is the only one to use.
As for a motor for GeorgeJ he is in the states so I don't think his options will be the same as ours.
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Curse my freedom, cheap oil and Bald Eagles!
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And trump, don't forget trump (keep him over there please)
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And trump, don't forget trump (keep him over there please)
He wouldn't leave. You get cavity searches if you travel. Glory be to the TSA.
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As long as they remember his ass hole is under hit top lip.
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You have got to be kidding me. the MTR 299 is possibly one of the worsted after market motors out there. The MTR 240KK is the only one to use.
As for a motor for GeorgeJ he is in the states so I don't think his options will be the same as ours.
Oh right yeah - didn't see his location :'(
Will try the MTR240KK then, never used aftermarket you see - only used genuine YDK YV-511, YDK-YV2200, DC04 Ametek