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Hoover Senior 652a
« on: June 16, 2014, 10:35:15 AM »
I had a good weekend vacuum wise!

First up is this



I've always wanted one for as long as I can remember, but I've always waited for a complete and matching machine, this one is certainly both of those!







The headlight lens is very discoloured, will look out for a replacement!





Needs a good polish too



We had a party yesterday for my daughters birthday, so I took the Senior with me so I didnt have to use a boring old Henry! It got some attention!







This was a brand new bag when we started!



Is currently waiting for a stripdown and refurb. The motor bearings are quite dry, I'm hoping I can sort that out but otherwise it runs perfectly!
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Re: Hoover Senior 652a
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2014, 07:27:44 PM »
There's a blast from the past. What did that cost you?

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Re: Hoover Senior 652a
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2014, 07:30:46 PM »
1500 whole pence! I've been holding out for a nice complete and original one for years! One ticked off the bucket list!

Was only 6 miles away too
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Re: Hoover Senior 652a
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2014, 09:50:42 PM »
Speaking to an old Hoover guy he says the bearings sound OK! He also mentioned that later replacement bearings come with screws and nuts rather than rivets as the plastic housing can distort when riveting them back on.

Will have a look when I strip it down!
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Re: Hoover Senior 652a - Refurb!
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2014, 11:24:58 PM »
'Warning, no reply posted for at least 120 days' Oops, I guess this is long overdue! This has been used fairly heavily tbh, I haven't got anything that will do our front room rug as well, not even the Turbopower (although the TP isnt far behind...)

Last weekend, we went to my stepbrothers in Peterborough for the weekend, and I put this in the back of the car to clean his stupidly deep rug. Their DC04 Absolute+ that I refurbed and gave them in the summer just does nothing, it threw the clutch a few months ago, I changed it and put it down to 'one of those things', but I'm thinking the rug might be doing it, will see if it happens again.



Got LOTS of deep down crap out of the rug, was transformed after 20 minutes, and it beat lots of sand out of the rest of the carpets!

So, earlier, I decided to get it stripped down!

Was already in bits from getting it out of the car, which was handy



The baseplate seal had been glued in in the past, so I pulled it off, cleaned the rubbers up and cleaned the metal out too



Wasn't really sure where to start, so started at the top!



Hefty spring under the rear wheels!



The bracket that holds the axle down



A few more screws and the ratings plate and tool adapter plate come away



The flap and 2 speed switch were choked with fluff



Quick reference of the spring position



and apart!



Under this panel sits the 2 speed switch. When the tool adapter is inserted, the speed increases for the tools. It is possible to stick this on permantly for normal use, but it doesnt need it!



More greb under the on/off switch cover

The rear wheels split down now, and the axle comes off





Front wheels tap out now after removing a circlip



Getting there now



The proper microswitch, none of this fancy dc24 tiny stuff here!





Hood off next





This screw releases one side of the handle pivot assembly





There's a spring on the other side



The bar is held in with 2 circlips, one here



The pedal comes off, and the rubber pad pulls off that

Had to release the cable first before carrying on with the handle, so handle grip off



Another circlip holds the cord holder on





Bit of tappy tappy and the axle comes out



Time to make a start on the wiring now!



The red cable loops from one side to the other, and connects with the red cable from the hi/lo switch (50 years before Numatic were Hoover...)

The wire above that is also for the foot switch, so now that can be removed!















and done!



The whole connection panel unscrews now



The original bulb still works!



4 more screws and the motor falls off!



Cable holder here



Lamp holder terminals



Connections to one of the carbon holders



and an earth strap to the top bearing



this clamp holds the capacitor on









This yellow from the field coil clips onto the housing and goes to the other carbon brush holder



Top bearing off



Fan off, all this was packing the fan out



the armature pulls out at this point







I managed to clear out the lubrication hole, and the bearing as a whole, and soaked it in nice fresh spray grease, runs alot smoother now!

I washed most of it (is odd having a machine that isnt made of plastic!), and moved onto the bag





Were 2 fistfulls of greb from the rug at the start of the thread, but otherwise quite clean (as I put a fresh bag in especially for the trip. Meant to get it out at my nans too and fix her front room carpet but never got the chance!)



Undid the bag clamp



and split the bag fill components down, which had been glued up before...



and washed the bag and other bits!

Before it got dark, I drilled the old fancase bearing out of the housing, as I had a new one! (have had it a while, was good to put it to use!)





I filled it full of spraygrease too to condition it after sitting for many years in a cold garage, then a cold shed!

I bought a bearing fixing kit a while ago too, so could replace the bearing properly (using a riveter apparently can warp the casing as the Hoover ones were made to compensate this)





Spins a treat now!



Gave the armature a clean off with some fine wire wool whilst it was out



After bolting the field coil back in, and assembling it all the back of the fan was catching on the fancase. 2 more shims (Dyson wheel washers...) bought it out a treat and now it freewheels lovely. The new bearing must not be as sloppy as the old one, we shall see when I wire and fire her up in the next few days!

Also couldnt wash the motor housings as various metalwork is riveted onto them, so just gave them a good brush down.



And that, for now, is it! Need to clean off all the metal components with wire wool, clean the cables off and re-assemble with lashings of grease and spray grease! And hope it runs smoother than before! Has been nice to get back to a proper vacuum cleaner for a change, one I could kill someone with...  :-\
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Re: Hoover Senior 652a
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2014, 01:25:38 AM »
I had an evening to myself tonight, so finished putting her together.

First up, the carbon brushes went back in



Went back through the pictures and wired her back up, after cleaning all the wires...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r40ITN2IuTo&list=UUv0y2E43HyJMX85p-Wxro0Q

I then popped the mains cable on, just to check the motor rebuild went well! Slight noise from the carbons, but she spins smooth as silk now, no grumbly wind down!

CArry on then!



Every metal part fitted has a smear of grease on it, makes it so much smoother



Cleaner hood back on



Needs a final polish, but it's clean now



One last motor shot!



Started on the underside



Rear wheels on





Got the box of stuff out to find 2 new brushroll bearings for the brushroll



The cleaned up seal fitted much better after being cleaned up. Needed a tiny bit of glue in places to stop it falling off, but on the whole it wedged itself in



I bodged a better bag on using the only microfilter bags I have (for a machine I don't own...). Might buy some cheap SEBO microfilter bags at some point, so the bag is the right shape after cutting the top off. There is a top-fill adaption available for these, a fellow collector is going to try it soon, if it's a success I might have a go!



After a quick check once back together, all she needs now is a final polish!









Could do with a new lamp lens too, but these are very hard to come by now, so will take care of the one I have!

One more update to come when I do the final finishing!
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Re: Hoover Senior 652a
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2015, 10:18:14 AM »
I realised last night that I haven't posted any after pictures of this!

Here it is with my U1100 that I got at about the time these pictures were taken



The machine polisher came out and shone it all up











Here it is sat next to my Hoover 417 which I really must refurb!





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I don't own this now though, I sold it early in the summer. 68, went to a lady down in Devon who wanted another one for daily use after her 652A burnt its armature out! Happy days!
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Re: Hoover Senior 652a
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2015, 07:18:07 PM »
Very nice  :thumbsup:

Is it true that the suction through the hose on these is very poor (not as good as a junior) because of all the air leaks?


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Re: Hoover Senior 652a
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2015, 07:58:29 PM »
Veey possibly,  i dont think the hise seals up as much as it does in the junior. 

Which doesnt say much as the junior tools were rubbish too...
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Re: Hoover Senior 652a
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2015, 10:54:23 PM »
All "dirty fan" vacuums are crap through the hose, the senior was twice as powerful as the junior but the hose suction was worse "apparently" but I've never heard anyone confirm it.

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Re: Hoover Senior 652a
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2015, 01:06:34 AM »
Bloody hell the 417 is so compact length ways! I'm impressed at that, I can imagine that being placed in between the fridge gap thing next to it or in a caravan ;D
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