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« on: May 26, 2016, 07:46:31 AM »
Hi guys. Don't know if this relevant in the dyson chat. How do company's make vaccums similar to chain ones. For example when VAX have cyclones ? Is that no infringing their patient. Just wondering. Thanks

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Re: Copyright
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2016, 03:07:40 PM »
I don't know about vax but most of the ones I have seen don't have cyclones, they just look like they do.

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2016, 04:04:21 PM »
I don't know about vax but most of the ones I have seen don't have cyclones, they just look like they do.

Oh right I even mean the ones on their website.

I will upload a picture.

Is it maybe you can't patient cyclone.



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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2016, 06:25:41 PM »
I think it's because they make it just that little bit differently, and use outdated technology.

Vax etc have only just moved on from single cyclone tech, and their single cyclone was the shit version with the pleated filter in the middle. Now they are on multi cyclonic tech, but tech that is different from Dyson (less cones, shitter design etc) which doesn't work very well as any modern vax clogs it's filter up within seconds. Your picture is such a design, there will be a filter inside the cone, so the way it works will be very different.

It's like the pattern dyson parts, which can look identical, but would be mm different in dimensions, or a slightly different moulding. My pattern Sebo tool set is identical as far as I can tell, but must be different to not have the arse sued off them.

Hoover copied the DC01 cyclone design a bit too closely, hence bye bye Vortex (although when I took one apart they look so different it's untrue), so there is more to it than just the design, it's the process too, mvacs probably knows more on the subject as they have had pattern tools and clips made.
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Re: Copyright
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2016, 07:22:00 PM »
What you can and cant make and/or copy is a huge subject.

You cant copy patented tech. You can copy components and parts from larger assemblies as spare parts, more so if they comply with what is called a "must fit" exception. Which is when it must be of that design in order to fit and do as intended. You can copy certain components that are over a certain age, you can copy internal items like filters as they are not integral to the design.

You couldn't copy for example a DC41 cyclone unit, but you can copy clips and small parts from it or filters and gaskets from inside it.

If you used specific Dyson tech on another branded machine, yes, you have breached their IP so can expect to get sued.

Its a highly specialist branch of law, is far from black and white, and it is constantly evolving. Each time a lawsuit is settled, another precedent is set. With Vax and Dyson for example see this court case. On spare parts, this covers some of it but aspects of the law have changed since then in parts manufacturers favour.

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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2016, 08:25:19 PM »
What you can and cant make and/or copy is a huge subject.

You cant copy patented tech. You can copy components and parts from larger assemblies as spare parts, more so if they comply with what is called a "must fit" exception. Which is when it must be of that design in order to fit and do as intended. You can copy certain components that are over a certain age, you can copy internal items like filters as they are not integral to the design.

You couldn't copy for example a DC41 cyclone unit, but you can copy clips and small parts from it or filters and gaskets from inside it.

If you used specific Dyson tech on another branded machine, yes, you have breached their IP so can expect to get sued.

Its a highly specialist branch of law, is far from black and white, and it is constantly evolving. Each time a lawsuit is settled, another precedent is set. With Vax and Dyson for example see this court case. On spare parts, this covers some of it but aspects of the law have changed since then in parts manufacturers favour.

Thank you for the information, did not know. I will check the links out also.

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